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I'm sorry but you just aren't thinking about this clearly. You are so anti-gun you can't see through the fallacies of your own arguments. That's fine. I won't bug you about this any longer. I will just say that people use mace, guns, knives and other object for killing AND protection.


He wants it to be like the England. Ask tony martin who was trying to protect himself from robbers. he killed one of them but he was arrested anyways.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGVAQOUi6ec&feature=relmfu"]NRANews follows up the Gun Ban in the United Kingdom - YouTube[/ame]

Gun control isn't going to work, you think that a Criminal is going to listen to the law? Hell no, this is just a way to restricted the citizen. People get stabbed die death do they want to banned Knifes to?
 
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He wants it to be like the England. Ask tony martin who was trying to protect himself from robbers. he killed one of them but he was arrested anyways.

The issue there was not that he'd shot someone in self-defence, but that he shot the burglar in the back - suggesting that by that stage the guy had been running away and Martin was no longer in immediate danger.

The reason British law is strict about guns now is because of the "Dunblane massacre" in 1996 where a gunman broke into a junior school and killed 16 children. So the law was changed to basically make private gun ownership illegal, but even before that Britain had never allowed guns to be carried as freely as they are in the USA. It's a small country, and after Dunblane, the public overwhelmingly demanded a gun ban. They got one. So the situation isn't really comparable.
 
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Hey, these guys can smile in pictures too, does that make them totally bee's knees human beings?

And no, the point of my post isn't to act like a jerk, but people shouldn't put a lot of stock in what's being presented in pictures one war or the other, and obviously that second picture is doing what the media is attempting to do by portraying the killer as the nice guy, doing that doesn't make what happened any less of a crime, fact is that a full grown man still killed a pretty scrawny kid. And while I do agree that thinking someone has a weapon makes even people as thing as sticks seem a little dangerous, I don't believe this guy couldn't have found another way out.

Yet Bruce Lee was around that weight and he managed to kick a lot of ass. so your point? Weight does not usually equal weakness it depends on how you use your body? I am only pointing out the flaw in the theory of him being completely vulnerable .

And the way some people wear the hoodies over their eyes with their body postured to act as if they are hiding something, don't tell me its racial as in America exclusively we have the "gangsta" culture where some young males try to act and dress like their thugs...I mean idols across the board for a decade or so. So the thinking that hoodied individuals might be threats has been in the American psyche for some time.

The media is trying to label Zimmerman as a white racist asshole that went for the kill when in actuality he is a Hispanic Latino that was attacked. As more and more details come up, I won't be surprised if we find out that Trayvon attacked him [ we heard Zimmerman's cries on the audio] and it was for defense. Not to argue it might not have been the other way, but to see the media's willingness to condemn a man before ANY solid and concrete evidence has arisen and then hearing about the Black Panthers and then Obama... we've also seen the media go gun-ho on many other stories that didn't turn out to be anything but sensationalized dreck.

I want to see this person's real face , not a twelve year old. Shows so much "objectivity" the media has when it shows outdated pictures of him to garner false sympathy and the whole racebaiting in the media....don't get me started. Race is an issue, you won't get issues from me on that, but it is mostly riled up by the media and how they love to keep us divided so one side can keep their voters and demonize the other side as loony gun-slinging bastards.

I know there are responsible gun owners but they're not the only ones with access to it. The gun could be taken by someone who isn't responsible.

Isn't that where the enforcement of gun laws , especially when the federal level comes in?

I bet there are many laws in the books concerning guns, but like most laws are not enforced. If existing laws are not enforced , how do you expect people to follow laws they do not know even exist? not like the State gives a **** about us anyways. We are just bargaining chips in their casino games which is the problem with big government.


I'm sure that lots of people who get guns have no intention of harming people that doesn't mean it can't happen.

And there are people who leak sensitive military info like a bunch of cowards and get our allies killed if not more soldiers, and they are not intending to kill people. So what's your point? We should now ban the internet because of some leakers and hackers? Your reasoning is very flawed.

I don't even know why you mentioned pohabition. Anybody can make alcohol but it's a hell of a lot harder to make a gun.

Not really. If you have the know-how, have gun enthusiasts as friends or know how to and where to buy the various parts, you CAN make a gun. Also like Prohibition, people go to the black market where the sales of guns are neither taxed or regulated in the slightest and the citizens themselves are left defenseless against intruders or people bigger than them. IF we were to ban guns, the criminals would still have them. This is why the gun is called the great equalizer by some.

Hunting is a stupid dangerous sport. Who needs to go out and kill things? A gun is a tool to kill that's all it can do.
What's stupid about feeding your family or about having fun? Hunting for sport is barely about the animals being shot as the actual feeling of being one with nature and being with your friends. Also if you weren't so ignorant,you would remember that hunters also use traps, knives and even use bows. So should we outlaw them too?

Depending on circumstance and intent, guns can save lives and defend people from intruders, just like ANY weapon or object. And don't tell me that before the invention of guns people didn't have weapons. Bows , spears, lances , swords, cannons, grenades/flamethrowers (Greek fire), eating utensils, knives , ,trebuchets , hot water , even your hands and feet....Hell, in the war between Persia and Ancient Greece, their was even biological warfare in the infection and poisoning of water and who knows of what else. So don't tell US that guns are only used to kill, you even admitted it yourself. If there were no guns , people would go to the next best thing, bows and so forth. Guns don't kill, people KILL people.

It's a fact.

People make mistakes and with a gun that mistake could be fatale. There are people who walk around with their guns all the time. What if that persons gets scared takes out their gun and shoots an innocent person? Everyone tries to be responsible, but they aren't always able to make the right choice
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No **** , sherlock and that's why people are people. We are not infallible. However, you can say the same thing with X or Y weapon. I get scared and I slit your throat with a knife or if you startle me, I choke you to death.

Guns are never the problem and if people can't manage a weapon , they don't need one unless they learn how to use and manage one. Simple as that. No need to ban a single weapon and if we do , we might as well ban anything that can be used as a weapon. No more pencils, pens , food, water.... it is a slippery slope and you do not realize it.

Should we also put the American people in bubbles so they don't harm each other? Should we physically disable martial artists because they might accidentally harm someone.:redface2:

It's called imparting discipline and self-responsbility, something this nation and many nations have forgotten sadly.
 
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Yet Bruce Lee was around that weight and he managed to kick a lot of ass. so your point?

... I'm sorry. Your argument loses a lot of credibility when you make ridiculous comparisons like this.

It really feels like you're disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing then saying anything you really believe.

[ we heard Zimmerman's cries on the audio]

And the only person to claim that has been his lawyer, despite everyone else who's heard it saying it's obviously the kid?

You never answered my question before but why does he seem more trustworthy to you than anyone else?

Race is an issue, you won't get issues from me on that, but it is mostly riled up by the media and how they love to keep us divided so one side can keep their voters and demonize the other side as loony gun-slinging bastards.

Or there are people who just want to cover up the issue as quickly as possible so they can go back to burying their heads in the sand instead of actually facing the nasty issues out there so we can have some real change.

Guns don't kill, people KILL people.

Guns just make it a hell of a lot easier.

The reason British law is strict about guns now is because of the "Dunblane massacre" in 1996 where a gunman broke into a junior school and killed 16 children. So the law was changed to basically make private gun ownership illegal, but even before that Britain had never allowed guns to be carried as freely as they are in the USA.

The sad thing is that we've had multiple school shootings of this nature over the years and we still can't even get gun REGULATION off the ground because the NRA has too much sway over our politicians.

I'm not even asking for banning guns. Is it too much to ask for some kind of consistent regulation? Or at least some way to enforce it so you don't have people going to another state, buying from a store where the owner has no compulsion to follow the law over making a sale, and then going back home to blow someone's brains out?
 
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NOT to blame guns is idiotic to me.

Guns have one purpose and they are the easiest things for a person to use for that purpose.

Knife, car, golf cart.. they all have other very practical everyday other purposes and most require quite a bit of effort to use to kill somebody.

Guns, easy of getting guns and laws the help people get away with killing are a problem whether people want to admit it or not.

Unfortunately Fox News would rather treat hoodies like they were a problem than guns.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-co...012/the-word---dressed-to-kill?xrs=share_copy
 
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NOT to blame guns is idiotic to me.

Guns have one purpose and they are the easiest things for a person to use for that purpose.

Knife, car, golf cart.. they all have other very practical everyday other purposes and most require quite a bit of effort to use to kill somebody.

Guns, easy of getting guns and laws the help people get away with killing are a problem whether people want to admit it or not.

Unfortunately Fox News would rather treat hoodies like they were a problem than guns.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-co...012/the-word---dressed-to-kill?xrs=share_copy


Fox news are away for the Progun right, they will always blame something else then a gun.

The Problem isn't guns is the people that give them to the wrong hands. there is nothing with owning a gun as long as you are a responsible owner keeping it under lock and key and use it for self defense.

In these case Zimmerman he shouldn't of had a gun to begin with since he had a prior arrest for beating hes girlfriend And the stupid ''Stand your ground'' law.
 
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See this seem like the case of the classic douche looking for a fight.

So let's paint a picture, Zimmerman was following Martin in a car at night, in Florida. Cars are not very silent and since they were in a gated community I'm sure no other cars were constantly passing through. Wouldn't you feel threatened by someone following you in an SUV, especially if he came out of the vehicle and presumably approached you.

This is mainly in response to Zimmerman's argument that Martin attacked first and that perhaps Martin should be considered to be protected by self-defense laws. This also brings up some serious problems with the "stand your ground" law.

Just throwing out some idea
 
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NOT to blame guns is idiotic to me.

Guns have one purpose and they are the easiest things for a person to use for that purpose.

Knife, car, golf cart.. they all have other very practical everyday other purposes and most require quite a bit of effort to use to kill somebody.

Guns, easy of getting guns and laws the help people get away with killing are a problem whether people want to admit it or not.

Unfortunately Fox News would rather treat hoodies like they were a problem than guns.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-co...012/the-word---dressed-to-kill?xrs=share_copy

So all the responsible gun owners are to be blamed and shamed and put down because some people use guns to kill others instead of for protection and hunting? A gun does have a practical purpose, they protect and could be used to hunt.

I will agree we need stricter and better gun laws, but for you to just blame the guns... You are aware you need a person to pull the trigger right? You can't just have a gun by magic kill some one.

Why should I blame guns? I blame the people that pulled the triggers. Are guns easy to get, yeah they can be. Do you think outlawing them would make them hard to get? No it wouldn't. Criminals don't follow the laws. They would get guns either way.

If a person runs down a person out of hate, should I say it was the cars fault?
 
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Fox news are away for the Progun right, they will always blame something else then a gun.

The Problem isn't guns is the people that give them to the wrong hands. there is nothing with owning a gun as long as you are a responsible owner keeping it under look and key and use it for self defense.

In these case Zimmerman he shouldn't of had a gun with to begin with since he had a prior a arrest for beating hes girlfriend And the stupid ''Stand your ground'' law.

This is very true, but it's easier for people to say GUnS R BAD.. Than to take responsibility.
 
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