X-Men 3: The Last Stand - Talkback *Spoilers*

[Fenrir767]

Well this is a little off topic but just felt like commenting. Raimi wanted Gwen Stacy for the first Spiderman movie but the studio wouldn't let him do it. So in Spider Man 3 he traded Venom to get Gwen Stacy which could be pretty fucking crazy. Also read on darkhorizons Spidey 3 has 4 villains which is nuts. Green Goblin, Venom, Sandman (main villain) and maybe another cameo.

 

[Tenraisenpuujin]

Well, Joker originally DID kill Wayne's parents.

Uh, not in the comics, he didn't. "Joe Chill." Look it up.

WANK ON!

So, yeah, finally got around to seeing it last night. Didn't hate it, didn't love it. I liked the fact that it kept close to Singer's visual style, and the fight scenes were pretty good overall (other than turning what should have been an awesome, imaginative Iceman/Pyro battle into a nerfed DBZ beambattle). I rather liked Kelsey Grammer as Beast, though I kind of wish they'd given him another moment of, I don't know, crawling on ceilings or leaping over something as just a matter of course before he went all feral for the Last Big Fight. As a big brainless action movie, it worked.

On the other hand, there were some dialogue/plot things in there that were just painful; in particular, the Xavier/Wolverine exposition on the Phoenix origin would have been right at home on the pages of a (bad, bad) comic book, but just sounded completely trite and dumb coming out of the mouths of real people. Also, if you're going to lift the Mutant Cure storyline from Joss Whedon, why not just have him write and direct? The script would have been better, at least.

So, while it wasn't as good as X1/2, Spiderman 1/2, or Batman Begins, it wasn't as bad as Daredevil, Elektra, Hulk, FF, or for that matter, any of the Star Wars prequels. Pretty, fun, and I'll pick up the DVD when it comes out, but on the mediocre side overall in my opinion.

Re: stinger at the end: well, so much for THAT ethical dilemma, huh Chuckyboy?

WANK OFF! ...wait, that didn't come out right.

 

[Skyknight]

I still think Hulk gets bashed too much, for the most part it stayed true to the Peter David storylines and Bana's performance was tremendously adequete

Hulk's a work of art, not a popcorn movie, and that's what caused such criticism from it.

 

[Blackbird]

I still think Hulk gets bashed too much, for the most part it stayed true to the Peter David storylines and Bana's performance was tremendously adequete

Hulk's a work of art, not a popcorn movie, and that's what caused such criticism from it.

I absolutely agree. :thumbs:

 

[laudre]

I'll third this. While I admit that Daredevil stumbled, even in the vastly more coherent long version, I happen to think Hulk is the most underrated of the recent comics adaptation. Ang Lee did some marvellous things in this movie, and his attempt to borrow some of the visual language of comics didn't work so well in some places, but worked beautifully in others (one of my favorite visuals is Nick Nolte's eyes hovering over in still as they set up the climactic fight between the Hulk and the Absorbing Man). I did like that it let me see both actors' faces in a conversation a few times; getting reaction shots during dialogue is pretty uncommon.

Uh, not in the comics, he didn't. "Joe Chill." Look it up.

*guffaws* Wow, not only was the pissing contest not my best moment, it was wholly unnecessary. I should've just pointed out that Sage's attempt to lecture me over Silver Age stuff addressed something I never said (in fact, I love Silver Age comics -- you can't be a Flash fan like I am and hate the Silver Age, since the Flash started the Silver Age), put him on ignore, and waited for this stellar moment.

Joker killed Batman's parents. Jesus, that's one of the two biggest missteps of that movie (the other being casting Jack Nicholson as the Joker).

 

[Tenraisenpuujin]

I don't know, the thing that irked me about The Hulk wasn't the visuals or the non-action-movie pacing of it, it was that the performances came off to me as really flat. Maybe I should go back and watch it again or something.

Jesus, that's one of the two biggest missteps of that movie (the other being casting Jack Nicholson as the Joker).

Honestly, I had fewer problems with Nicholson than I did with Keaton. I liked his Batman, I hated his Bruce Wayne. Nicholson, I thought, was fine, but as much as I dislike Jim Carrey, I think he really could have done The Joker much better than he did The Riddler.

 

[laudre]

I don't know, the thing that irked me about The Hulk wasn't the visuals or the non-action-movie pacing of it, it was that the performances came off to me as really flat. Maybe I should go back and watch it again or something.

Some of them were. Eric Bana worked, though, as did Nick Nolte; Jennifer Connelly only seemed to really do what she's capable of about half the time she was on screen.

Honestly, I had fewer problems with Nicholson than I did with Keaton. I liked his Batman, I hated his Bruce Wayne.

I disliked Nicholson because it wasn't so much the Joker as Jack Nicholson with some facepaint, and that's not what I want to see. Really, the only Bat-villain I was satisfied with was Danny Devito's Penguin, because he completely submerged himself in the role.

As for Keaton... he did pull off the "never in a million years think he's Batman" part of it, but not so much the "[m|b]illionaire playboy" part terribly well. Val Kilmer pulled that off, but failed at the not-Batman part. George Clooney just failed.

At least we got it right in Christian Bale, but I expected that. I'd been squeeing over his casting since I heard about it, thanks to Equilibrium. (Hell, pretty much all the casting made me squee in Batman Begins, except for Katie Holmes, who seems to be useless except for making Tom Cruise into an even bigger fool than he already is.)

as much as I dislike Jim Carrey, I think he really could have done The Joker much better than he did The Riddler.

I don't hate Jim Carrey, but I don't like him for a Bat-villain, simply because, like Nicholson, he obscures the role too much. But then, the only actor to portray the Joker I really like is Mark Hamill.

 

[Skyknight]

If they had retained the scenes they cut from Forever, it would have justified how distant Bruce Wayne's character was in the film.

Carry's role starts off tremendously, but he overdoes it, the best parts are the birth and defeat of the character, where he just tells the story, other parts where he should have resulted in the laughable Batcave destruction, marring what could have been poignant