Tom Constantine
Chief HJU News Editor
We have had, and currently have active threads, that were started long ago that new and old members have contributed too after months of no traffic. The people posting in this thread have only ever been one or two members who posted regularly, you being one of them. This is no different to them and this thread only recently had a revival because the leader of your group made some astronomically wrong claims and downright lying in a public way, that would naturally be discussed by our members here, as well as other forums have similar reactions. If this thread served absolutely no purpose other than to dick on each other and others, we would put a stop it. We've had to let a few members know to cool it, but it's been a civilised discussion thread. But new topics to discuss haven't stopped thanks to sites like http://onoretvn.tumblr.com/ and regular dramas from the group.
You could argue I'm bias or whatever, but if this was about my group, I'd keep the thread open, but to be quite honest, we don't seem to consistently mess up where this group does. Any criticisms we've received have been solved, and we're actually open to feedback if we have any errors in our releases so they can be fixed later (if anyone has found anything in wrong in our Maskman subs, please join to this thread or message me here for our V2s coming out this Saturday).
But yeah, start a What exactly is wrong with GUIS subs? thread if it help your loyalties.
SamuraiEchidna
Active Member
160?! I'm still betting on 100! I really wanna see it carry on that much. This has become a fun little game to me. :laugh:
Painted_Outlaw
The new Tendou Souji
Um, my post there wasn't being biased at all so uh.. good job?
I have no clue what you just said. =?
Magenta
Alice or Guilty
Well, Cirno, I feel you're in a bit of an untenable position at the moment in that you're essentially being charged with defending the indefensible. That post from takenoko has just bought TV-N another dose of incredibly supercharged bad will, even from people like myself who would otherwise defend or at the very least be neutral towards the group, and I think the fandom needs a window in which to air its grievances and vent some of that negativity.
The arguments being raised in the thread may be cyclical, but when take is essentially invoking the principles if not the specific nouns of Godwin's Law, it's going to rile people up, and reopen old wounds. Trying to stifle the outpourings of negativity that result is just going to make them worse, so, I dunno. Let people say their piece.
Edit: Oh, also, Frumix was just literally talking in circles. As in, symbols that are circles.
The arguments being raised in the thread may be cyclical, but when take is essentially invoking the principles if not the specific nouns of Godwin's Law, it's going to rile people up, and reopen old wounds. Trying to stifle the outpourings of negativity that result is just going to make them worse, so, I dunno. Let people say their piece.
Edit: Oh, also, Frumix was just literally talking in circles. As in, symbols that are circles.
kuroihikari
Member
If someone feels the need to complain, they're gonna make a new thread or bump this one.
At least, if this thread gets bumped, people who don't want to read about complaining against TVN know to avoid it, and people who do want to complain will know which thread to post to.
Unless of course we're suggesting that complaining about subgroups is bad, and should be a banned topic, then I call Godwin's Law on that.
At least, if this thread gets bumped, people who don't want to read about complaining against TVN know to avoid it, and people who do want to complain will know which thread to post to.
Unless of course we're suggesting that complaining about subgroups is bad, and should be a banned topic, then I call Godwin's Law on that.
Twisted_Edge
A true Jack of ALL trades!
For someone who started with TVN as his first toku sub group: I didn't think they where that bad at first. It was the super-modding and policeing on their forum that drove me away. I enjoyed their Magi-ranger, Shinkenger and Den-O releases.
But then I found HJU. It opened my eyes and world to W-Time, GUIS and the Order of Zeronos. I started watching their releases. Then W-Time became Over-Time and I stuck with them ever since, picking up classic shows from GUIS. Why? because their approach suits me and fulfills my needs. I UNDERSTAND what was being said on screen.
Leaving stuff like honorifics in is a choice, not translating attack names and mecha names is so as well. But where do you stop. They've proven to some of us that their approach to fansubbing can misfire with Akibaranger (is it really THAT bad? Now I NEED to see their release...).
I also feel so much anger in Takaneko's blog. I think I can relate. I wouldn't like it is someone would poke fun at something you put blood, sweat and tears into creating. I've been in that position myself as Convention Staff. It bites. I would've like direct feedback as well.
I do like some of their releases and find myself checking back now and them. Their style doesn't suit me. But I still respect them. In subbing, I don't think there is a right or wrong. There is "your way of subbing". Yes the make mistakes. Who doesn't? It's how you correct them and how you treat those who point them out that matters. And to my opinion, in that department TVN has a lot to learn.
I also would like to add that I wholeheartingly agree with Magenta on his points.
Ouch... But I can see how one would think that, given the first paragraph of this post...
But then I found HJU. It opened my eyes and world to W-Time, GUIS and the Order of Zeronos. I started watching their releases. Then W-Time became Over-Time and I stuck with them ever since, picking up classic shows from GUIS. Why? because their approach suits me and fulfills my needs. I UNDERSTAND what was being said on screen.
Leaving stuff like honorifics in is a choice, not translating attack names and mecha names is so as well. But where do you stop. They've proven to some of us that their approach to fansubbing can misfire with Akibaranger (is it really THAT bad? Now I NEED to see their release...).
I also feel so much anger in Takaneko's blog. I think I can relate. I wouldn't like it is someone would poke fun at something you put blood, sweat and tears into creating. I've been in that position myself as Convention Staff. It bites. I would've like direct feedback as well.
I do like some of their releases and find myself checking back now and them. Their style doesn't suit me. But I still respect them. In subbing, I don't think there is a right or wrong. There is "your way of subbing". Yes the make mistakes. Who doesn't? It's how you correct them and how you treat those who point them out that matters. And to my opinion, in that department TVN has a lot to learn.
I also would like to add that I wholeheartingly agree with Magenta on his points.
Ouch... But I can see how one would think that, given the first paragraph of this post...
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Magenta
Alice or Guilty
The big issues were specifically in their original, v1, version of the first ep of season 2. Generally TVN is not big on fixing errors in their subtitles - they release v2s for technical issues with encodes and typesetting or whatever, but will generally not retract an episode for errors in the actual script.
That v2 was basically the first time I've seen sheer external consensus and peer pressure actually cause TV-N to retract and redo an episode simply because of issues and errors in the translation. There was an /m/ thread, archived here, which was when someone went through the v1 and pointed out all the errors.
jackhunter
Member
Since i dont speak japanese i dont feel entitled to blame them for doing huge mistakes, when i watch a show i just try to get the global meaning. Then there is the "not translating everything" politic, but its not that boring for someone who is watching the show for pure entertainment.
While subbers may legitimately have an opinion about fansubbing quality, i am not sure that there are 10% of haters that can say the same.
While subbers may legitimately have an opinion about fansubbing quality, i am not sure that there are 10% of haters that can say the same.
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