Rider Faiz said:But to think that G1 had these great plots and all these new fangled shows just suck in compairison is just stupid.
Rider Faiz said:I'm not saying that the G1 episodes were not fun. But when people usually compare the new TF shows to G1, they hold G1 up on this high pedistal saying that the episodes were all masterpieces and not as bad as the episodes of whatever new show they're talking about. Which is not the case. For as much as I love G1, there were just some God-awful episodes in there too.
-RF
GrnPsychoGarren said:If you actually watch G1 you know know Starscream is a good fighter, one of the top and Optimus Prime isnt invincable.
That's what made G1 so bad ass. Both sides had strenghts and weaknesses and they didnt rely on Flashy One-Shot Power Blasts for attacks. It was a real war. Both sides had wins and losses. Some days the Decepticons actually won and stole away with their energon cubes. Some days the Autobots won. Both sides had set backs and real problems to work out.
And the Decepticons had a REAL leader. One who didnt just bitch, he took charge. He was was a cunning bastard and back then Starscream wasnt quiet about his dislike with Megatrons leadership. And Megatron didnt care, he told Starscream to "bring it" and pwned starscream when he did try something.
I mean everything about G1 the ORIGINAL AMERICAN transformers owns the **** out of this crap-fest Japanese Anime.
Cybertron? I watch it every now and then since Im up and Cartoonnetwork is always on my TV but I think all the TF animes are retarded.
RID: All they did was make jokes. The only good that came out of RID is Scourge and Megatron. (That was one of Megatrons kewlest forms, I even bought the toy. 10 forms... thats bad ass. Well ok Galva had 10 forms, Mega had 8. I bought Galva cause I saw the commercial and was like "10 forms? Bull ****! I have to see how that works!")
Armada: sucked. Better animation and Megatrons new form was nice but again, the decepticons are horribly outnumbered its not even funny. The entire plot is one sided, Megatron just sits there and bitches. Hes not a real leader. The reaction times of all the human characters were unbelievably slow that it ticked me off. "Yay lets gasp and watch as a door SLOWLY closes! Ooo Aaah!"
Energon: I dont remember. Was this the one with the Kid who could sense Energon? And had the glowing hair and kick ass robo outfit? I liked that season it was ok. Bearable. They ruined the good name of Unicron. **** them.
Cybertron: I cant stand this one. Megatron is crap again. All the fights are lame. Its just "POWER UP! FANCY SUPER SPECIAL BLAST!!!" Whoopty do. And the plot.. AGAIN they have to collect ****. What the **** is with the Japanese and collecting **** for a plot? First minicons, then the star keys or whatever they were, now its the Cyber Planet keys. And oooh god if I have to watch that racing episode ONE MORE TIME. *rolls eyes* Where they have to race some bitch to get a cyber key. Guess what, the REAL fucking Megatron wouldnt put up with that **** he would destroy her and take the key. He wouldnt put up with this racing nonsense.
I dont see how ANYONE likes these shows. TF G1 was bad fucking ass and there's good reason for it. It had a great plot, great characters, and two sided battles. It was hardly ever one sided where Autobots always won with cheap super moves. No every battle was a hard earned victory. The Autobots werent war machines, they knew they were up against militaristic decepticons and they lost heavily int he beginning and slowly got better at battling them. And it wasnt just stopping the Decepticons, it was stopping their operations. So much effort went into it. Sometimes one side won, sometimes the other side one. Every Autobot had a strength and a weakness, every Decepticon had a strength and weakness and they were utilizied beautifully. The battles were decent, they didnt just "POWER UP!" and fire off a Special Laser blast. It was a REAL freaking WAR.
How can ANYONE stand this japanese **** they have out now. How. Man god bless the Japanese and their Anime and Tokusatsu shows. I love them and their very beautiful women but they are just ruining Transformers. It's sad when G1 (a 1980 american cartoon) is still better than any of the **** the Japanese can do. I know they can do so much better but they just got hack writers who continue copying the same cliche' BS in every new season.
Ugh... Dont get me started. Optimus Prime is a fucking joke in the new animes. All he does is power up and combine a **** load of times. I mean it's so sad. I watched an episode of Cybertron where it was like 5-7 autobots Vs THUNDERCRACKER... JUST ONE DECEPTICON. And they ALL COMBINED WITH THEIR STUPID FUCKING **** AND DID THEIR SPECIAL MOVE ON HIM!.
WOW... FUCKING... LAME! Thundercracker should have been DEAD but it was a "comedy" scene ala Teamrocket so he survived. Which lowers the believability of the ENTIRE series. NO ONE DIES. No matter how hard they are hit by a blast no one is inured and no one dies.
There was a time in Energon I think. Where Hotrod(I think thats his name. The yellow guy, was it him? or was it another guy..), well one of the Autobots got fucked up BAD by Megatron and the decepticons and he practically did "die" but he was brought back in a new "more powerful" form. *rolls eyes* god fucking dammit. G1 wasnt fucking afraid of killing off characters. That's why it was believable. Autobots AND decepticons got fucking injured or KILLED (especially in that movie, dayum!)
You want to see REAL transformers? Watch G1 people. Watch it and WEEP cause it owns everything the JApanese **** out SO HARD.
Psycho, TF came from Ja-
Before you say it, no it didnt. Idea of the toy line came from japan, started in AMERICA, by Hasbro. It became a comic series to help sell the toys and the comic was turned into a US Cartoon TV show. Produced IN AMERICA. I heard rumors that it was a Japanese studio but that doesnt effing matter. It was still produced IN AMERICA, and if you watch you notice the Cartoon Characters of G1 move their mouths to sound out the syllables. They dont just "flap" like every Anime does. American cartoons sound out the vowls and syllabls. Japanese just flap the mouth open and closed.
Its all fucking America baby. And Japanese did their little takes of the show and continued the seasons after G1 stopped in america. I havent seen any of the older Japanese versions, I dont think I WANT to. But I hear the older ones arent that bad. (NOTE: If I'm wrong somewhere, you need to Link me to official sources, cause I have read around to several sites, they all say the same thing. I'm always worried that I'm wrong like I was wrong about Power RAngers. Used to think that was American too until I found out about Sentai. But everywhere I read says the same thing. AMERICA. And **** we did it RIGHT. Japanese need to watch G1 and take notes.)
Gah and you want to see REAL Cg TF action? Beast Wars. Bad ass TF show. CG and fucking awesome! Great story, great action, and kickin characters.
ok ok Im done ranting here. I just hate the TF Animes with a BURNING PASSION.
I dont understand why anyone likes them.
The GOOD TF anime, Beast Wars Second, Beast Wars Neo, Masterforce and it's sequal Victory, Galaxy Force were all great shows. The last three which are all subbed by TVN, so they're easy to get. RiD is a guilty pleasure of mine, even if it didn't have the best story, I loved the designs for the Transformers, that's where it really exceled.
Didn't things like his happen in G1 as well?
Sage Shinigami said:Do you not remember the Megatron/Starscream fight?
Starscream: All I ever really wanted....was your respect.
Megatron: ......*kills him*
They gave Starscream a character for once (other than maniacal, backstabbing asshole), but Megatron didn't seem to care. He just cared that Starscream was in his way, so he....."moved him".
GrnPsychoGarren said:Wow that was in Armada?? Apparently I dont remember that. I only saw what was on Cartoon Network and probably not every episode. Just what I happened to see (which is most of it cause my TV is almost always on CN by default.)
That sounds bad ass, I want to see a clip of that.
kyo28 said:I see a lot of people comparing G1 and Galaxy Force, which IMHO is a moot point since GF takes place in some alternate universe. I think this gives the writers enough liberty to change the characters as they want in respect to their G1 counterparts (it's not like this Megatron has any connection to the one in G1).
I am one of those people who loved G1 but at the same time enjoyed most of the Japanese TF's: HeadMasters I liked, Masterforce I loved! The last three series (Micron Densetsu, Super Link and Galaxy Force) I have also enjoyed very much. Still have to see Carrobot, but I have a good feeling about that one, as well as Neo Beast Wars and Beast Wars II.
Regarding Beast Wars I have mixed feelings. The beginning was interesting enough with good background and mystery a plenty ... but the later developments of the show (Beast Machines) turned me down ... the whole organic vs metal concept just didn't grab me.
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