GrnPsychoGarren said:
If you actually watch G1 you know know Starscream is a good fighter, one of the top and Optimus Prime isnt invincable.
Starscream got owned by Megatron--a LOT, and Megatron and Optimus Prime are equals. (Any portrayal that shows them as less is incorrect.) So what do you think would happen if Starscream decided he wanted to be all hardcore and fighting Optimus motherfucking (that's his new middle name) Prime? He would get pwned.
That's what made G1 so bad ass. Both sides had strenghts and weaknesses and they didnt rely on Flashy One-Shot Power Blasts for attacks. It was a real war. Both sides had wins and losses. Some days the Decepticons actually won and stole away with their energon cubes. Some days the Autobots won. Both sides had set backs and real problems to work out.
None of that is any different from what I saw in Armada. The only thing you touched on that was close to being different was G1 having a real WAR. G1 (and GI Joe too, off-topic as that was) benefitted from being a big-ass toy commercial because that means they got to throw in hundreds of characters. Not only did you have your standard Transformers, you got Headmasters, Targetmasters, Dinobots, Constructicons, Aerialbots, Combaticons, Protecticons, Destructicons (I think their name was), Triple Changers, Technobots, Terrorcons, Fortress Maximus, Scorponok, Trypticon and Metroplex. The only show even close to that # of robots, IMO, was RID. A war has multiple factions on each side, people good at certain things, etc...Armada started out with.....what, seven Transformers? WTF is that.
And the Decepticons had a REAL leader. One who didnt just bitch, he took charge. He was was a cunning bastard and back then Starscream wasnt quiet about his dislike with Megatrons leadership. And Megatron didnt care, he told Starscream to "bring it" and pwned starscream when he did try something.
Say wait.....if Megatron can "pwn" Starscream, why can't Prime? As far as the Decepticons having a real leader, when has Megatron NOT been an evil motherfucker who takes whatever he wants? Except in maybe Cybertron. The one thing the anime TFs have done right though is showing WHY Starscream doesn't like Megatron. Because he's an arrogant **** and his hatred/arrogance sometimes fucks up his good plans.
I mean everything about G1 the ORIGINAL AMERICAN transformers owns the **** out of this crap-fest Japanese Anime.
Cybertron? I watch it every now and then since Im up and Cartoonnetwork is always on my TV but I think all the TF animes are retarded.
Uhh....yeah. I think the plots and stuff are a bit stronger, though they're even stronger in their original JP versions.
RID: All they did was make jokes. The only good that came out of RID is Scourge and Megatron. (That was one of Megatrons kewlest forms, I even bought the toy. 10 forms... thats bad ass. Well ok Galva had 10 forms, Mega had 8. I bought Galva cause I saw the commercial and was like "10 forms? Bull ****! I have to see how that works!")
I liked that Ultra Magnus wasn't trying to give Optimus head anymore. The one from G1 was a damned suck-up. I think it would've been even cooler if it had been like in the Japanese version, where instead of being pissed that he didn't get the Matrix and Optimus did, he just wanted more power.
Armada: sucked. Better animation and Megatrons new form was nice but again, the decepticons are horribly outnumbered its not even funny. The entire plot is one sided, Megatron just sits there and bitches. Hes not a real leader. The reaction times of all the human characters were unbelievably slow that it ticked me off. "Yay lets gasp and watch as a door SLOWLY closes! Ooo Aaah!"
What show are you talking about? Outnumbered? The Autobots SHOULD outnumber the Decepticons because they aren't battle robots, but they don't. I remember Armada. The Autobots were ALWAYS catching a beatdown. And the three most powerful Mini-Con weapons were usually in the control of the Decepticons, resulting in an even bigger ass-whipping. And Megatron not being a real leader? He led the Decepticons pretty well, and he really didn't take any ****. Do you not remember the Megatron/Starscream fight?
Starscream: All I ever really wanted....was your respect.
Megatron: ......*kills him*
They gave Starscream a character for once (other than maniacal, backstabbing asshole), but Megatron didn't seem to care. He just cared that Starscream was in his way, so he....."moved him".
Energon: I dont remember. Was this the one with the Kid who could sense Energon? And had the glowing hair and kick ass robo outfit? I liked that season it was ok. Bearable. They ruined the good name of Unicron. **** them.
That's the one. I stopped caring about Energon because they kept changing the fucking time, but this had the kid with the little costume and he could sense Energon.
Cybertron: I cant stand this one. Megatron is crap again. All the fights are lame. Its just "POWER UP! FANCY SUPER SPECIAL BLAST!!!" Whoopty do. And the plot.. AGAIN they have to collect ****. What the **** is with the Japanese and collecting **** for a plot? First minicons, then the star keys or whatever they were, now its the Cyber Planet keys. And oooh god if I have to watch that racing episode ONE MORE TIME. *rolls eyes* Where they have to race some bitch to get a cyber key. Guess what, the REAL fucking Megatron wouldnt put up with that **** he would destroy her and take the key. He wouldnt put up with this racing nonsense.
I think he would....or have an entire damned Planet beat the **** out of him. I don't think Energon had any "collectibles", other than Energon. As far as Megatron being crap.....yeah, I don't think too highly of him this time. I'm glad Starscream took over but....**** there's a limit to how much he can do. Take down the ENTIRE Autobot army? And THEN fight Optimus? **** that.
I dont see how ANYONE likes these shows. TF G1 was bad fucking ass and there's good reason for it. It had a great plot, great characters, and two sided battles. It was hardly ever one sided where Autobots always won with cheap super moves. No every battle was a hard earned victory. The Autobots werent war machines, they knew they were up against militaristic decepticons and they lost heavily int he beginning and slowly got better at battling them. And it wasnt just stopping the Decepticons, it was stopping their operations. So much effort went into it. Sometimes one side won, sometimes the other side one. Every Autobot had a strength and a weakness, every Decepticon had a strength and weakness and they were utilizied beautifully. The battles were decent, they didnt just "POWER UP!" and fire off a Special Laser blast. It was a REAL freaking WAR.
How can ANYONE stand this japanese **** they have out now. How. Man god bless the Japanese and their Anime and Tokusatsu shows. I love them and their very beautiful women but they are just ruining Transformers. It's sad when G1 (a 1980 american cartoon) is still better than any of the **** the Japanese can do. I know they can do so much better but they just got hack writers who continue copying the same cliche' BS in every new season.
......Do you have G1 on DVD or is this all just memories?
Ugh... Dont get me started. Optimus Prime is a fucking joke in the new animes. All he does is power up and combine a **** load of times. I mean it's so sad. I watched an episode of Cybertron where it was like 5-7 autobots Vs THUNDERCRACKER... JUST ONE DECEPTICON. And they ALL COMBINED WITH THEIR STUPID FUCKING **** AND DID THEIR SPECIAL MOVE ON HIM!.
Well, despite all that, at the end of Armada he and Megatron threw down without anything but their own fists and maybe their own weapons and it was a kick-ass damned fight.
WOW... FUCKING... LAME! Thundercracker should have been DEAD but it was a "comedy" scene ala Teamrocket so he survived. Which lowers the believability of the ENTIRE series. NO ONE DIES. No matter how hard they are hit by a blast no one is inured and no one dies.
Not too many characters died in G1 either. Except, well, in the movie. :buttrock: (You got the Touch! You got the POWWWWWWWEEEEEEEERRRRR!!!!
YEAH!)
There was a time in Energon I think. Where Hotrod(I think thats his name. The yellow guy, was it him? or was it another guy..), well one of the Autobots got fucked up BAD by Megatron and the decepticons and he practically did "die" but he was brought back in a new "more powerful" form. *rolls eyes* god fucking dammit. G1 wasnt fucking afraid of killing off characters. That's why it was believable. Autobots AND decepticons got fucking injured or KILLED (especially in that movie, dayum!)
Uhhh.....huh????? They died....in the MOVIE. But they didn't kill off all they many characters in the show.
You want to see REAL transformers? Watch G1 people. Watch it and WEEP cause it owns everything the JApanese **** out SO HARD.
Psycho, TF came from Ja-
Before you say it, no it didnt. Idea of the toy line came from japan, started in AMERICA, by Hasbro. It became a comic series to help sell the toys and the comic was turned into a US Cartoon TV show. Produced IN AMERICA. I heard rumors that it was a Japanese studio but that doesnt effing matter. It was still produced IN AMERICA, and if you watch you notice the Cartoon Characters of G1 move their mouths to sound out the syllables. They dont just "flap" like every Anime does. American cartoons sound out the vowls and syllabls. Japanese just flap the mouth open and closed.
.....Wha? This bit is a lot of "soap box", I think. And....as hyped as I am about one day buying G1, I'm MORE hyped about seeing Headmasters and Super God Masterforce, the first shows Japan made after G1 stopped.
Its all fucking America baby. And Japanese did their little takes of the show and continued the seasons after G1 stopped in america. I havent seen any of the older Japanese versions, I dont think I WANT to. But I hear the older ones arent that bad. (NOTE: If I'm wrong somewhere, you need to Link me to official sources, cause I have read around to several sites, they all say the same thing. I'm always worried that I'm wrong like I was wrong about Power RAngers. Used to think that was American too until I found out about Sentai. But everywhere I read says the same thing. AMERICA. And **** we did it RIGHT. Japanese need to watch G1 and take notes.)
You need to watch G1, along with the Japanese versions of the TF animes before you snap on them again.
Gah and you want to see REAL Cg TF action? Beast Wars. Bad ass TF show. CG and fucking awesome! Great story, great action, and kickin characters.
Beast Wars led to Beast Machines. Beast Machines is the biggest pile of **** ever written, and everything Japan has ever done fucking OWNS it. Turn Cybertron into an organic planet? Good job! Make it like every other planet EVER. Fucking morons. You wanna see how Cybertron should look in the past and in the future? Read The War Within. Now THAT'S Cybertron.
ok ok Im done ranting here. I just hate the TF Animes with a BURNING PASSION.
I dont understand why anyone likes them.
Because....they don't suck?
The GOOD TF anime, Beast Wars Second, Beast Wars Neo, Masterforce and it's sequal Victory, Galaxy Force were all great shows. The last three which are all subbed by TVN, so they're easy to get. RiD is a guilty pleasure of mine, even if it didn't have the best story, I loved the designs for the Transformers, that's where it really exceled.
I gotta be honest....even I wanna see the Beast Wars anime. I fucking hate the original show. And that stupid-ass CGI **** too. But I might actually enjoy Second and Neo.
Didn't things like his happen in G1 as well?
He's forgetting that in Transformers: The Movie, Megatron was killed and brought back in a "more powerful form" as Galvatron. Along with some other Decepticons I really don't recall. Nevermind when Hot Rod became Rodimus. From a sports car to a....whatever the **** he was supposed to be.
