Torchwood (Dr Who Spin-Off)

[Tenraisenpuujin]

"From Out of the Rain" was not only the worst Torchwood episode so far, it's one of the worst episodes of any TV show I've seen, ever. (And I watched Dukes of Hazzard when I was a kid.) It had an interesting premise completely undermined by some of the worst dialogue I've ever heard anywhere-- the writer seems to have fed names and a concept into his Random Cliche Generator, cranked up the Expository Dialogue dial to 11, and let it rip.

The author, P.J. Hammond, is apparently notorious for just writing whatever, then half-heartedly adapting it to whatever show he's writing for. This really became painfully obvious when

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they had a villain who steals your last breath AND HELLO, OWEN'S A FREAKIN' ZOMBIE, WHY ISN'T HE JUST MARCHING UP AND WASTING THE GUY ALREADY.

I think he must have pictures of RTD buggering a boyscout troop, because there's no way that script ever should have seen the light of day. Hell, the cast seemed to be embarrassed at the words they were forced to speak.

EPIC FAIL

 

[Skyknight]

You've never seen Hammond's series Sapphire and Steel have you?

The problem isnt Hammond, it's the fact his scripts are far too GOOD for light shows like Torchwood, which is more like Friends meets Angel than "real" science-fiction.

As for worst episode? Most TW fans call "Cyber-Woman" the bottom of the barrel.

Haven't really been enjoying the second season as much to be honest though. Had some REALLY good episodes, but downplayed the potential of the Ianto-Jack-Gwen and Tosh-Owen relations.

That was a good thing. I'd rather see light-hearted action/adventure episodic science-fiction again than literal gay relationship drama, since classic Doctor Who WAS episodic sometimes.

As for the Grey storyline? It didnt go on, it was in two episodes and then dropped, it'll be back in the finale presumbly, but it doesnt need to be hammerd home every week.

 

[Skinwalker]

That was a good thing. I'd rather see light-hearted action/adventure episodic science-fiction again than literal gay relationship drama, since classic Doctor Who WAS episodic sometimes.

As for the Grey storyline? It didnt go on, it was in two episodes and then dropped, it'll be back in the finale presumbly, but it doesnt need to be hammerd home every week.

I'd rather it be less episodic than this, maybe just a couple of good episodic character centric episodes, but still plenty good drama and 'edginess'. I'm sick of the only things on British TV I can enjoy being comedies, Doctor Who, Shameless and Skins- the latter too being very culture specific and sort of nosediving anyway. Had I liked Owen's character maybe the season would've seemed better, but I can't stand him nor Reese so I end up finding it tedious and yelling "WHY TOSH WHY?".
I understand the comment of it being overly sexual and 'too gay' at times, and am glad they toned it down, but I enjoyed that. There's very little elsewhere, especially in British TV. Maybe if more shows simply acknowledged it and maybe included even just the one non-stereotypical LGBT character sometimes people wouldn't find it so amazing that one show suddenly has a huge RAINBOW OVERLOAD.

 

[Tenraisenpuujin]

You've never seen Hammond's series Sapphire and Steel have you?

The problem isnt Hammond, it's the fact his scripts are far too GOOD for light shows like Torchwood, which is more like Friends meets Angel than "real" science-fiction.

As for worst episode? Most TW fans call "Cyber-Woman" the bottom of the barrel.

Did you *watch* the episode? It was way worse than Cyber-woman, and that was pretty weak. Maybe he was good on S&S, but this was the worst, most cliche-ridden, hackneyed dialogue I've ever been subjected to, and there was *nothing* good in that script. IT MADE GALACTICA 1980 LOOK GOOD. srslyppl.

 

[Skyknight]

I'd rather it be less episodic than this, maybe just a couple of good episodic character centric episodes, but still plenty good drama and 'edginess'.

Maybe it's the American stuff that's irked me with serialized character peices and mystery-expanding storylines, they ought to be only where there neccersary.

I understand the comment of it being overly sexual and 'too gay' at times

Well, by "too gay" I meant all happy-happy, not homosexually-driven, I can eat that up anyday. TW's been decisively less conflictive with it's teammembers lately, where the first season had real balls playing with that conflict.

I do understand what you're missing, I'm simply glad I'm getting a break from it for once, the same with Ashes to Ashes

 

[Tom Constantine]

Did you *watch* the episode? It was way worse than Cyber-woman, and that was pretty weak. Maybe he was good on S&S, but this was the worst, most cliche-ridden, hackneyed dialogue I've ever been subjected to, and there was *nothing* good in that script. IT MADE GALACTICA 1980 LOOK GOOD. srslyppl.

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What were those things anyway? Monsters? Aliens? Demons? Half the time I thought the camera thing wasn't working, but it actually was. I was kinda expecting something to like happen... or something. They seemed quite happy they only saved one persons life, even though it was a child and his whole family was dead. Good work Torchwood. The final shot about "what other films could there be?" was probably the most cliche part.

It was quite a failure of an episode.

 

[Forever Knight]

So I'm on Doctor Who's season 2 finale and now I'm seeing the Torchwood stuff. So I figured I mine aswell jump into this thread.

 

[Tom Constantine]

I suggest that you don't read anything in this thread until you watched Torchwood up to current as this is full of spoilers :thumbs:

 

[ShadowRider]

So when is the Series two finale? I've just been catching up and have only episode twelve to see before then. I think it just a couple weeks before it airs on BCCA, but I've been dling the eps since I got behind.

Gotta say up until From Out of the Rain, this series has been fantastic. I did like Adrift, but it was just so bleak (except for the Jack/Ianto moment which I was glad to finally see, even if the expression on Jack's face was a little disgusting :laugh: yeah...). Anyway, I'm looking forward to what goes down in the end.

 

[Mikazuki]

^^^ In three days.