Time Travel stories in Toku

Shougo Kuroiwa said:
Great, now we're going to have to suffer through the lesson of the true definition of tokusatsu...
Tell me about it. Tokusatsu includes daikaiju, too! You wanted tokusatsu with time travel, you asked for it.

If there's any other tokusatsu with time travel, off the top of my head, there's Toei's Sengoku Jieitai (Self Defense Forces in the Feudal Wars) starring Sonny Chiba. It's also known as Time Slip (its international title) and GI Samurai (its US home video title). Masaaki Tezuka (who directed three of the "Millennium Series" Godzilla movies) did a remake this year for Kadokawa and Toho! It's titled Sengoku Jieitai 1549.
 
ryuuseipro said:
Tell me about it. Tokusatsu includes daikaiju, too!.

I was actually being an asshole, but, OK...:laugh:

It's just that, truth be told, 99.5% of the American tokusatsu fans only like/count the henshin heroes and the daikaiju are just...well, boring lousy movies to them. I don't make the rules, I know it's all tokusatsu to the Japanese, but it's not Japan and that's the way I've noticed things.
 
Shougo Kuroiwa said:
Great, now we're going to have to suffer through the lesson of the true definition of tokusatsu...

I didn't mean it like that, but it seems that most people consider Kaiju and "Toku" different genres.
 
Bolt said:
I didn't mean it like that, but it seems that most people consider Kaiju and "Toku" different genres.
Which they aren't. People have to appreciate this. Tokusatsu has always been the term used in Japan to describe live-action special effects fantasies, movies and television (and all other multimedia). (In Japan, Star Trek and Star Wars are called tokusatsu, too!)

It's like saying that:

-The works of Willis O' Brien and Ray Harryhausen aren't special effects, just "crappy clay animation."
-Comics are only about superheroes, and nothing else. The word "comic-book" is commonly associated by some with "superhero." And not any other genre!
-Fantasies are only about angsty teenage wizards and a quest for a magic ring.

But anyway, back to time travel. It's getting way off topic here . . .
 
Yeah, I think you've proved your point, but had you asked anyone here what the first thing that came to their mind was when you said "Tokusatsu," I guarantee it would've been a Kamen Rider or Sentai. The majority of the fans posting here and watching these shows in the US consider tokusatsu to be live-action superhero shows, not anything with special effects in it. It's okay to be PC, but don't forget that not everybody is so informed.
 
So okay, here's my list in no particular order (Some Spoilers ahead)

Cho Sei Kantai SAZER-X
-Obvious reasons, Ad and Kane go back to 2005 to stop the Space Pirates blah blah blah and can't return after having come through the wormhole. In which case I wonder how the hell they're going to play off the appearance of Commander Shark.

Jiku Sensh SPIELBAN
-This was more Time Dilation/Theory of Relativity though if I remember right.

Correct me if I'm wrong here; Spielban and Diana were the only survivors of their home planet and were put into stasis aboard their base ship, Granaska (Now that's the French name of the ship as that's how I saw this, again correct me if I'm wrong ).

After that, it travelled at light speed to Earth to arrive at just the right time to stop the invasion of Earth by the Warler Empire. Only thing was that their bodies had aged and they had learned all of Earth's history in the meantime.

Makes sense?

Mirai Sentai TIMERANGER
I'd list the reasons other than the obvious here but then I'd be giving away one of my favorite plot twists in the whole of sentai.

Dennou Keisatsu CYBERCOP
-Another plot twist that you'll have to see the series for or read up on

Kamen Rider RYUUKI
-Oh this one's been a debated for ages; the "Time Vent Theory". This came about through fan speculation and then a magazien article that appeared after the end of the TV run.

It goes something like this:


Kinda makes sense doesn't it? Sure there are a couple of parts that are kinda sketchy but I guess that depends on your point of view. However, the magazine article gets you wondering if maybe Shiro messed with the timeline more than just those three times....

Uchuu Keiji SHARIVAN
-There was a wohle arc in the series where Den had learned of his heritage from Iga Star and through circumstances that escape me at the moment, he meets up with a group of girls that are also from Iga. I don't remembner how this happens either, I think they were struck with a beam of sorts by the baddies and it casued them to Time Slip all over the place and even through dimensions and Den was hot on their trail.

Oh and Gavan had that Urashima Taro episode where this turtle Double Monster made a time machine to get to this palace in the past, all just to raid the palace and steal her riches. Dunno if that counts

And there you have it. Wow this was longer than I expected o_o
 
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Yeah, well, they have to be. Same deal with some anime fans. (More on that in two paragraphs.)

I never thought I was being PC, I was telling the truth. We can't maintain the current status quo if people outside Japan keep distorting these terms. What we know best is that if it's an animation from Japan, it's anime. (Before that, it was "douga/doga", "terebi manga" or "animeeshon", and those terms are still being used there.) If it's a special effects spectacle from Japan, on the big or small screen, it's tokusatsu. I know you know this, but that doesn't mean that everyone else can't. I'm sorry, but ignorance is not a virtue. People have to understand the difference between one's ass and one's elbow.

Besides, it was already bad enough that all Japanese superhero shows were called "sentai" here for a while. And American anime fandom is hijacking the term "anime," limiting it only to an elite selection of anime genres. Someone would have a cow over me saying that, say, Rankin-Bass/Toei's The King Kong Show (which was the first ever anime to be commissioned from the US) is an anime show, but it is! It's animated in Japan, so it's anime. :laugh:
 
Well said. From now on I will personally decapitate anyone who denies the title of tokusatsu to Dai Kaiju!

What we know best is that if it's an animation from Japan, it's anime. (Before that, it was "douga/doga", "terebi manga" or "animeeshon"

Don't forget the horrible "Japanimation." :laugh:
 
Bolt said:
Well said. From now on I will personally decapitate anyone who denies the title of tokusatsu to Dai Kaiju!
Just spread the word . . .

It could be worse; You could be in Godzilla fandom dealing with certain fans who still have no idea what, say, "Showa" and "Heisei" mean.

Don't forget the horrible "Japanimation." :laugh:
Which was in America, but I do like that term. (I always thought it was "JAPAN-imation," not the bastardized "JAP-animation")
 
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