The Toku Unpopular Opinion Thread

The only thing I really had against Eji, and maybe this sounds odd, is after awhile they stopped focusing on his underwear gimmick. They started out making him really odd and interesting when he was talking about underwear and then after awhile they were just like "Ok, we're not going to bring this up for a while. Meanwhile with Fourze, Gentaro's obssesion with befriending everyone in school stayed prominent through out the entire series, even affecting how he handled the final fight with Sagitariuss.
 
I think that was half of the point with Eiji: He was just like everyone, except that he had nothing, and yet has everything he really needs. And he was fine with all that.

If you measure things in purely materialistic terms that may be true. But Eiji...he wanted everything. He, like Godai, wanted to see the world. And more than that, he wanted to keep it safe. The reason he never really showed any ambition or desire was simply because what he wanted was so intangible. And that's why Maki's magic purple pteradons couldn't break his dreams.

Eiji did serve a purpose in OOO beyond that of the rest of the cast. In a way I think that he was so similar to them not because he was inferior and less interesting, but because they existed to feed into his everyman persona. He was at once the same and starkly contrasted by his ambling lack of directed ambition.

I really do find Eiji interesting.
 
He, like Godai, wanted to see the world. And more than that, he wanted to keep it safe. The reason he never really showed any ambition or desire was simply because what he wanted was so intangible.
See, that's why I wasn't much of a fan of Eiji (or Godai tbh). Ultimately his motivation just boils down to "he saves people because he's NICE". I can't really find that particularly interesting. I realise that's a personal preference, I'm not saying it automatically means a character sucks. They did tease the idea that it's due to some kind of guilt for the horrors Eiji's seen on his travels, but they never really explored it that much. We find out more about Date's travels than Eiji's, and Data has his own completely different motivation.
 
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They did tease the idea that it's due to some kind of guilt for the horrors Eiji's seen on his travels, but they never really explored it that much.

That's actually reverse. He started out already as a privileged kid who wanted to change the world and help everyone. However, he overstepped his boundaries and caused the death of several people because he was trying to help them.

That's why his motivations changed to "help the people I can reach with this two hands."

If you measure things in purely materialistic terms that may be true. But Eiji...he wanted everything. He, like Godai, wanted to see the world. And more than that, he wanted to keep it safe. The reason he never really showed any ambition or desire was simply because what he wanted was so intangible. And that's why Maki's magic purple pteradons couldn't break his dreams.

At the series' end, he mentioned why he didn't want anything more: It's because he already had it. By receiving the OOO driver from Ankh, he now had the capacity to save people.
 
See, that's why I wasn't much of a fan of Eiji (or Godai tbh). Ultimately his motivation just boils down to "he saves people because he's NICE". I can't really find that particularly interesting.

It's not "he's nice" so much as it is compassion and I for one think compassion is an excellent (and in the modern day far too under-rated) motivator for a superhero. Having compassion for your fellow man is not just a construct made up by writers a long time ago. It exists and it is only a crass and immature level of cynicism which says that every superhero should be motivated by revenge or guilt because that's "real". Not to say that is your argument, just generally speaking.

However, I don't find Eiji to be a particularly well executed example of that idea whereas with Godai I do.
 
See I enjoyed Eiji far more than Godai. I'm not sure what it was about Godai, maybe he seemed 'too' perfect or something. He was a plenty good character but he just seemed kind of boring or something? I don't know. It could just be to the order I saw them in of course. I think it's part of why I prefer Onodera to Godai as well, Onodera doesn't seem so perfect.
 
See I enjoyed Eiji far more than Godai. I'm not sure what it was about Godai, maybe he seemed 'too' perfect or something. He was a plenty good character but he just seemed kind of boring or something? I don't know. It could just be to the order I saw them in of course. I think it's part of why I prefer Onodera to Godai as well, Onodera doesn't seem so perfect.

I don't think Godai is perfect. If he was then there would have been no potential at all for the black-eyes Kuuga to manifest and that was established in the episode with the Porcupine Grongi which is the first time we see Godai fight with rage rather than with heart. Now personally I think there is room for both relatable heroes and aspirational ones. Godai leans more aspirational but I don't think his virtue is cardboard by any stretch. He's actually very human IMO.

Onodera at first I actually enjoyed the idea that he starts off basically wanting to impress a lady but then learns and grows into the "protecting peoples smiles" thing. BUT Decade being the vortex of disappointment that it is they just made him into a buffoon after his debut episode.
 
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I personally enjoy Wizard more than Fourze. However, it's quality severely dropped after White Wizard teleported away with Mayu after she survived going into despair. It started to get better once Haruto reunited with his old friend that played soccer with him. But with the most obvious plot twist ever known to televised entertainment, and the most lackluster series finale I've ever seen, it didn't make things much better.
Fourze is currently my least favorite Kamen Rider series. The only characters I liked were Gentaro and Ryusei. But even then, Gentaro had ZERO development or interesting story arc. All we know about him is that his parents died in a car accident, he met Yuki when he was young, for some reason he decided he wants to be friends with everybody, and he's a Kamen Rider. You'd think they could, I don't know, EXPLAIN his personality?! Or make his parents' death more important other than "just because"? I guess you can say the death of his parents made him lonely, so that's why he wants to be everybody's friend. That's pretty simple and would make sense, but nowhere in the series, from what I remember, establishes this. Or maybe they could have made Gen's parents somehow connected to the Chairman, and that he was the one who killed them, making it harder for Gen to forgive the Chairman in the final episode. Little and simple things like that would make things so much better.
Not to mention that they probably didn't have enough time to focus on him because they have another 7 main characters and victims/monsters of the week to give focus on. There where way too many characters in this show. I remember most of them only having a few lines of dialogue, if any, in certain episodes. Plus, they were all pointless. It doesn't help that the only plot was Meteor's arc for a large number of episodes. Once it ended with Cosmic States debut, they realized that they forgot about the 10 other Horrorscopes they have to deal with, making the last quarter of the series feel rushed as all hell, because they were taking there sweet ass time with the other 3 quarters. It also doesn't help that the Chairman is one of the dumbest villains ever. "hurrrr instead of collaborating with all of the smartest astronomers and scientists in the world, let me blow up Tokyo because the writers are making a last ditch effort to make me more menacing huuuurrrr derp lolololol i'm good now because friendship derp"
Also, Cosmic states is run on the "power of friendship." I know that Kamen Rider is a kids show and that it doesn't need to be dark and serious to be good (even though the riders who happen to be more serious are often better), but that is taking it too far. I can accept mysterious ancient power, high tech suits, magic, some dude in a trench coat that lives in mirrors, a belt made in medieval Europe singing in fluent Japanese, monsters created from someone being sad enough, people who become monsters with USBs or a stone in their waist, the origins of man being linked to battling gods and a monster version of battle royal, guys who travel through time with trains or the simple fact that they're moving so fast, an almost invincible form spawning from a teardrop, and freaking cyborgs that look like grass hoppers fighting rubber suited monsters while riding motorcycles! But friendship literally being a source of energy is crossing a line.

I also think that OOO Wonderful is the worst Heisei rider movie, period. Yes, even below Core, Kiva's movie (Hell's castle or something right?), and The Next (which I can actually sorta enjoy)
I also enjoyed watching Faiz, Kabuto, and Kiva.
I was also extremely skeptical about Gaim, but after reading all those interviews, I can't wait. I still don't like the fruits and dance group things though.
Goddammit Bandai.....
 
The dance group thing was Urobuchi's idea, not Bandai's.

I know, but bandai added the fruit thing. I personally don't like dancing, and I know what terrible things Kamen Rider has done with dancing, *looks at den-o gun form and the "Heaven's Tornado" episode of Double*
 

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