Spider-Man: The Clone Saga

[Skyknight]

Wacker says it's not in continuity (he's covering his own ass), but DeFalco says it's both an A.U AND in continuity. What he prseumbly meant by that is that it'd become canon (and retcon BND) if sales were strong. Sales arent strong at the moment...though I do suspect it'll sell better in the direct market once collected into a TPB, the same as most of Tom's run on Spider-Girl (**** sales as a comic, but huge sales as TPBs)

 

[Izzy]

Aw man, that means I gotta buy the issues and the trade to try to support this? I did it for the Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane mini from last year ( almost bought the digest in addition to the single issues and the hardcover) so I guess I can go to bat if means more 616 Spidey I can actually enjoy. Though personally I'd wish they'd retcon a good chunk of the past half decade if the make this in continuity %100...

 

[Skyknight]

Though personally I'd wish they'd retcon a good chunk of the past half decade if the make this in continuity %100...

I think that's the general idea if this is a success, that the last ten years DON'T count, and never did. Events like Harry's death and Lifetheft have recently happened, but the events of Pursuit and everything afterwards that contributed to Peter's stint as The Spider didnt. That's a good 30% of bizzare characterisation in the 90s and 100% of the shite since 1999 retconned.

 

[Izzy]

That would be glorious in my opinion. I think the last time I was happy with a 616 Spidey story that wasn't a flashback was the JMS story with Aunt May finding Peter passed out in his costume and calmly accepting his double life for the most part. But you know, can't have anyone know who he is disregarding him revealing himself to random people since OMD... Hell I think that story was from maybe 8 years ago as I think it was after the 9/11 issue or somewhere around it.

 

[Skyknight]

That would be glorious in my opinion. I think the last time I was happy with a 616 Spidey story that wasn't a flashback was the JMS story with Aunt May finding Peter passed out in his costume and calmly accepting his double life for the most part. But you know, can't have anyone know who he is disregarding him revealing himself to random people since OMD... Hell I think that story was from maybe 8 years ago as I think it was after the 9/11 issue or somewhere around it.

And that alone I couldnt bother with because I never swallowed May's return from the dead thanks to Tom trolling continuity and insisting "The Gift" remained canocial in MC2, making his May the real one that died.

More and more, Marvel's trying to go places D.C often go, where "modern age" continuity is prone to adaptation decay and needs fine-tuning. Marvel's strengths back when it had writers who gave a **** were to naturally evolve and respect Stan's vision of a growing world. That world is now static and stillborn.

 

[Izzy]

I'd have to check to make sure but we might get a retread of May's death in this mini, didn't that happen during the Clone Saga?

Revisiting this storyline makes OMD hilarious in hindsight...

EDIT: It did, that's pretty funny given the whole point of OMD. Of course that doesn't mean we'll even see things go that way though given the already subtle changes to the story.

 

[Skyknight]

EDIT: It did, that's pretty funny given the whole point of OMD. Of course that doesn't mean we'll even see things go that way though given the already subtle changes to the story.

"Subtle" being unintentionally revealing Peter was Ben Reily in the recent annual thanks to mistaking Janine for MJ?

 

[Izzy]

I actually forgot about that, was that on purpose or just a case of flashback fail?

I was thinking about the changes made to the story of the mini as compared to what happened in the original Clone Saga story because I don't keep up with ASM or to put it better I've avoided it like the plague since 2004...

 

[Skyknight]

I actually forgot about that, was that on purpose or just a case of flashback fail?

The hacks lazily cobbled together various scans of interior art and comic covers (yes, COMIC COVERS) for those flashbacks without doing the research, further proof they don't care anymore about the franchise let alone the characters.

 

[VengeanceGOD]

More and more, Marvel's trying to go places D.C often go, where "modern age" continuity is prone to adaptation decay and needs fine-tuning. Marvel's strengths back when it had writers who gave a **** were to naturally evovle and respect Stan's vision of a growing world. That world is now static and stillborn.

Agreed 100%, although "stillborn" conjures up nasty mental images. BND seemed to be a giant attempt to undo everything interesting done to Peter since the 60s. Which is weird seeing it mesh with interesting stuff like Dark Reign.