KingRanger
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Heh. I give you a 5/10 on the troll factor.
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As stated by others, if you are not into it now.. Watch another series. There are lots to pick from. The stuff about gaping plot holes in faiz isn't opinion, it's fact.
Sell me on Kamen Rider 555
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Heh. I give you a 5/10 on the troll factor.
Back on topic:
As stated by others, if you are not into it now.. Watch another series. There are lots to pick from. The stuff about gaping plot holes in faiz isn't opinion, it's fact.
KingRanger
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You basically just said that all rider shows have the same ratio of bad to good.:redface2:
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Despite its shortcomings I would say that Kamen Rider 555 is a better series than something like OOO. When I first watched 555 the story and drama kept me hooked throughout. 555 also has some pretty memorable characters. People love to hate Kusaka ... but at least he stood out! Over five years after watching 555 for the first time I still remember his character clearly. Compare that to a bland slog like Kamen Rider OOO ... who in that show is really memorable? Aside from Eiji and Ankh I have a hard time remembering anyone beyond their one note gimmick ("I BAKE CAKES LOL"). The truth is that I've never been the biggest fan of Kamen Rider 555, but some of the newer series like OOO and Fourze have given me a new appreciation for what it was trying to do.Havoc Knight said:
As for the ending. People argue that it doesn't have one ... and? Not every story needs to end in a neat, tidy Toku bow. In fact most Kamen Rider endings are pretty bad to begin with. I'd say Kamen Rider 555 is more about the journey and in a way the ending fits in well with the tone of the series. It doesn't really "end" because nothing ever does.
One important thing to understand about Hesei Era Kamen Rider (generally considered anything from 2000-Present) is that in terms of tone and style it underwent some pretty drastic changes in just ten years time. An open mind is required when going through the back log of earlier shows. They aren't bad or anything. Kamen Rider was just a different kind of beast back then, focusing more on character drama than pure action and comedy elements.
Kenori
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Heh. I give you a 5/10 on the troll factor.
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As stated by others, if you are not into it now.. Watch another series. There are lots to pick from. The stuff about gaping plot holes in faiz isn't opinion, it's fact.
Name one.
This guy. This guy here gets it.
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RagnorokKing
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What I meant was, it doesn't really get any worse than some other Rider shows. No show is perfect, and it's up to you if you feel you can look past the problems and like it.
Every show I like has some problem with it, yet I still like them.
And Kenori...stop picking fights.
Glamador
Member
Is it really productive to build up a series by vaguely stepping on another one?
If the only thing you remember about Kougami is that he bakes cakes...then you didn't pay ANY attention. And that's on YOU. Maybe Kaixa was memorable, but what about the snively Clover member? Or the female Clover member? Or the kids from the academy? Or the one-note Smart-Brain poster-chick? Were they more than their one "gimmick"?
OOO had characters, just like 555. Which ones you personally connect with is no measure of their quality. Characters like Kougami, Maki, Date, and Gotou bear tremendous thematic weight in OOO, which is heavily driven by its themes. Faiz is not driven by its themes; it's driven by drama. The characters will not be described or utilized in anything like the same way and it's wrong to expect them to be.
Wrong. Stories do. STORIES end. Otherwise they're not stories. If you aren't going to complete any character's arc, show something about the human (or ophnoch) condition, or relay a memorable series of plot points from beginning to *end* then what are you doing? What's the point of watching?
"A man took a walk around the block, he met a guy and a girl and another guy, and a few more guys, he didn't like that one guy much but that other guy likes the girl, there were some guys that didn't want him to get the store but he stomped their asses and put one in the hospital. Two of the people he met along the way fell off a cliff and then he..."
See, that story there is just like KR 555. It sets up (very vaguely) a lot of relationships and conflicts, goes in circles for a bit, kills off characters not to conclude their arcs but as a prop to continue other characters' arcs...and then doesn't finish. It's not a complete story.
RagnorokKing
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The fights get better.
Melodrama still there.
Characters get decent arcs but some still remain as they started (mostly riders and monsters get arcs)
Watch a few episodes to get an idea for the characters (which it seems you have) and then maybe skip to ep. 12 or 13 to see how things picked up. The story had moved enough by then that if you like how it feels then you'll probably like the series.
That's how I watched it (I remember the first few episodes being interminable.)
KingRanger
Banned
No he really doesn't get it. IMO he just wants to justify the way faiz "ended" and what he said is as good as any.
If you honestly can't see any of the plot holes, then you don't care to even know. You liked faiz so blindly you refuse to see issues it had. I mean I love Blade to death, but even I will admit it had a lot of issues.
KingRanger
Banned
For once I agree with you completely.
Kenori
Member
I never said I didnt have issues with it. What I said was the issues dont take away from the series as a whole.
If there are these glaring plotholes in the show, point them out to me. What are they? Why are they such a big deal that you cant enjoy the series?
And dont go off about the ending again. If you dont like the ending fine, thats your opinion, but its not fact that the ending sucks. It's open to interpretation about what happens afterward. You can take it however you want it.
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