Rewatching Wizard - from decent to dreadful

If memory serves, Haruto was distraught over Koyomi and it was during the part when it started eating his character so he was willing to let the teacher~gate get "despaired" if it helped him with his Koyomi... thing.

And Shunpei was all "Dude, you a moron!".
 
If memory serves, Haruto was distraught over Koyomi and it was during the part when it started eating his character so he was willing to let the teacher~gate get "despaired" if it helped him with his Koyomi... thing.

And Shunpei was all "Dude, you a moron!".
Pretty much this, yeah.

Like I mentioned earlier, Shunpei was always pretty good with helping the other Gates, we just never got to see the vast majority of what he did on screen. If we'd gotten that over the slapstick, they might not have needed to change anything and we could have liked him plenty more.
 
I'll take Wizard over OOO, Fourze or Drive any day. At least it was a little step from overused W formula.
 
I'll partly take back my "dreadful" title for the thread, this show is a bit more entertaining when marathoning it rather than per week.

I thought of something. The Phantoms were born from people who disappeared six months ago. Why couldn't Rinko or Section 0 come up with a list of all those people and then start tracking them down as possible Phantoms? That would be more proactive than just wandering around hoping to run into one. Rinko could even enlist Koyomi and her crystal ball, or the toy gadgets to facilitate that search. Plus it would've been a buildup to her encounter with Phoenix instead of some chance meeting because he knocked around some drunks and she remembered she was a cop.

Gremlin is as annoying as I remember. I suppose his antics go with being a gremlin, but I can't stand it. From the way he wears his pants, to that stupid smile on his face. And I'm supposed to believe he's a hardened serial killer? Maybe he could pass for a Joker-lite with some fine-tuning, but he can't pull off an Ouja-style murderer.

I like the debut of Mayu. Though the fact that Medusa murdered her parents makes me think the show might've worked better with the Phantoms as mass murderers harvesting mana for Wiseman. They could have used her as a contrast to Haruto; she seeks revenge while he is a selfless protector.

Speaking of the Mages, why is it that Haruto can use all four elements while the others only use one type? It's never explained why Haruto was even given a special belt. (His one has a palm with yellow outline. The others have a red outline.)
 
I watched Wizard in Magicland last night. I thought this movie wasted a chance to explore mages and Phantoms more, instead it's just a one-off adventure with no consequences for or hints about the show's plot. What if instead Magicland was the place mages went to distance themselves from "inferior" normal humans and their problems (hence why mages are thought of as only legends now in "our" world), to which Haruto would naturally object to and rebel against Maya and Sorcerer? There's a little bit of that in the movie, but again they take a good idea and undersell it.

On the plus side though, I did enjoy the action scenes, especially the bike chase. Seeing the Kamen Rider Girls get sent to the cornfield, and Nitou "going off the grid" were funny, too. But I do have some questions:

1) If everyone in Magicland is a mage, wouldn't that mean they all have Phantoms inside them?

2) Did Sorcerer just conjure a world out of nothing, with duplicates of people in the "real" world, just to create Phantoms out of them? How can you make Phantoms out of people who aren't real?

3) If the Magical Exchange system is supposed to store magic in a giant vessel, what's the point of kidnapping people and using their skeletons for that vessel? You're getting magic from them anyway, aren't you?

4) Why are the only Mage Riders we see the "earth" type? Where are the water and hurricane Mages? In fact, why isn't there a fire Mage? The closest we see is that captain with the red cloak, but even he has the same orange mask as the others.

Additionally, I'm now on the final arc of the show, starting on episode 38. This really should've been moved to after episode 27 when Mayu first appeared. Wizard has a bad habit of introducing plot elements and taking them away again for several episodes before bringing them back briefly.
 
Speaking of the Mages, why is it that Haruto can use all four elements while the others only use one type? It's never explained why Haruto was even given a special belt. (His one has a palm with yellow outline. The others have a red outline.)

The others aren't limited to one type though, in spite of their masks suggesting an elemental focus. They used spells of different elements without changing forms, even.

1) If everyone in Magicland is a mage, wouldn't that mean they all have Phantoms inside them?

Yes? And it's a big plot point in the movie and part of Sorcerer's plan.

2) Did Sorcerer just conjure a world out of nothing, with duplicates of people in the "real" world, just to create Phantoms out of them?
He replaced the real world with that world, which is why there was no Haruto double there.
 
The others aren't limited to one type though, in spite of their masks suggesting an elemental focus. They used spells of different elements without changing forms, even.

Then what's the point of having blue and green Mages in the show? Was this a case of two different ideas being thrown together at the last moment?

Yes? And it's a big plot point in the movie and part of Sorcerer's plan.

They don't make an issue of it, if that's so. In a world where everyone studies and sues magic, that would mean they or someone else would've had to conduct regular Sabbaths, or Phantoms are bringing people to despair on a regular basis. Wouldn't people object to that?

He replaced the real world with that world, which is why there was no Haruto double there.

But what's the point if he just wants to create more Phantoms? The mages in his world, since they're really just from "our" world, would have to have Phantoms in them already, so he could just do a Sabbath on the next solar eclipse. Plus Shunpei and Rinko had had their Phantoms killed already, so how can they have them again?
 
4) Why are the only Mage Riders we see the "earth" type? Where are the water and hurricane Mages? In fact, why isn't there a fire Mage? The closest we see is that captain with the red cloak, but even he has the same orange mask as the others.

I think those two masks were created at the last minute just to differentiate the three Mages in the TV series, and I don't really remember that the Mages in the movie using a specific element, they just shoot beam bullet through their rings. I don't know if it the same with the TV series, but the bio in Super Hero Generation said that the elements for the three Mage Riders is actually fire, water, and wind, so there is actually no Mage with earth element even though their mask color is orange. Also, Mayu's Mage Special Ring in the TV series is a fire breath just like Flame Dragon Special.
 
it's just a one-off adventure with no consequences for or hints about the show's plot
So... It's like a ton of other toku movies?

Honestly, I thought Magic Land was a pretty good Rider movie, all things considered. I had a few complaints, but they were minor and more movie-specific - it was enjoyable for the most part. Hell, I'd say the fact that it was a one off thing, meaning it had to keep its plot all together and concise rather than dragging it out like the show, was something in its favor, if anything.

1) If everyone in Magicland is a mage, wouldn't that mean they all have Phantoms inside them?

2) Did Sorcerer just conjure a world out of nothing, with duplicates of people in the "real" world, just to create Phantoms out of them? How can you make Phantoms out of people who aren't real?
Both of these things were addressed in the movie. They do have Phantoms, and that world IS the real world. It replaced the old one. They're as real as any Gate in the real world was.

3) If the Magical Exchange system is supposed to store magic in a giant vessel, what's the point of kidnapping people and using their skeletons for that vessel? You're getting magic from them anyway, aren't you?
I'm pretty sure this was explained too, but I believe it was to ultimately do what he did at the end. A slow drain where it's used as currency isn't going to jolt them into Phantoms like he did at the end there.

4) Why are the only Mage Riders we see the "earth" type? Where are the water and hurricane Mages? In fact, why isn't there a fire Mage? The closest we see is that captain with the red cloak, but even he has the same orange mask as the others.
I don't think they're actually tied to elements (since we've seen them use all the elements throughout the show regardless of their color), I'm pretty sure the other two just got different colors so they looked different from Mayu. Haruto is supposed to be the "fire," since if you line him in his default form up with the show's three Mages, you have one Rider of each element.

That said, here's an actual reason for why Haruto might be different: He survived the ritual, whereas they're just regular Gates that overcame despair as it came somewhat normally. He might have gotten a supercharge through experiencing that and making it out of it, whereas a normal person might not.

Then what's the point of having blue and green Mages in the show? Was this a case of two different ideas being thrown together at the last moment?
They never once said the Mages were a specific element, and nothing about them implies it. If anything, the default Mage is just "generic magic" color, since it's the same color gem as Wiseman/White Wizard and the basic Wizard Rings all are.

They don't make an issue of it, if that's so. In a world where everyone studies and uses magic, that would mean they or someone else would've had to conduct regular Sabbaths, or Phantoms are bringing people to despair on a regular basis. Wouldn't people object to that?
What if Phantoms just escape from people normally? For example, if a person who just happens to be a Gate experiences despair on their own (something that is perfectly possible without Phantom interference), then their Phantom would be born regardless of whether or not another Phantom helped push it along. The show never explicitly did anything with it, but considering they existed outside of rituals, that always seemed understood to me - that they're a natural phenomenon regardless of what rituals happen or don't happen.

But what's the point if he just wants to create more Phantoms? The mages in his world, since they're really just from "our" world, would have to have Phantoms in them already, so he could just do a Sabbath on the next solar eclipse. Plus Shunpei and Rinko had had their Phantoms killed already, so how can they have them again?
I'm not sure what you're saying in the first part, but Rinko and Shunpei don't have them "again." They never lost them in this world to begin with.
 
Then what's the point of having blue and green Mages in the show? Was this a case of two different ideas being thrown together at the last moment?
It was just to differentiate the Mages in the tv show from each other.

They don't make an issue of it, if that's so. In a world where everyone studies and sues magic, that would mean they or someone else would've had to conduct regular Sabbaths, or Phantoms are bringing people to despair on a regular basis. Wouldn't people object to that?
The people in that world somehow seem to become mages without needing to surpass despair, but they still all had phantoms in them.

But what's the point if he just wants to create more Phantoms? The mages in his world, since they're really just from "our" world, would have to have Phantoms in them already, so he could just do a Sabbath on the next solar eclipse. Plus Shunpei and Rinko had had their Phantoms killed already, so how can they have them again?

The idea is that by changing reality to make everyone being a mage (and so have a phantom inside them) he could then awaken all phantoms at once with his plan, creating a world of phantoms. Now, why didn't he just skip that middle phase and create a world inhabited by phantoms was never explained. Shunpei and Rinko had phantoms there exactly because the entire world was rewritten into that world where everyone is a mage.

That said, here's an actual reason for why Haruto might be different: He survived the ritual, whereas they're just regular Gates that overcame despair as it came somewhat normally. He might have gotten a supercharge through experiencing that and making it out of it, whereas a normal person might not.

The odd thing is that the show seems to imply that Haruto, by default, was actually weaker than the mages, since he needed to power up quite a bit before being considered good enough for White Wizard's ritual, while the Mages apparently were ready as soon as they gained power. Of course, that doesn't stop all of them from being useless in the finale and Movie Wars...
 

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