People suck. Seriously.

So I take it none of you guys have ever laughed at a fattie?

Not since I was an idiot kid, and I still feel like pretty shitty about that. Why would you assume it's universal/acceptable practice among adults?

As for other people who do it on their sites... I think those people are dicks, too.
 
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So I take it none of you guys have ever laughed at a fattie?

The point of the article is harsh, but the Internet is full of images and sites devoted to demeaning to cosplayers. How's this any different?

So I take it you're a dick?

It's different because it's a "professional" magazine that is supposed to have a thing called "professionalism". I don't believe it's in anyway professional to make fun of a group of people in such a juvenile manner ,especially ones that probably are among your customer base? This article is different from the fact that it has the draw in as a magazine unlike those other ones which can be forgotten and ignored quite easily.

I want to know what race , creed facial looks or body type you have so I can make fun of you for X reasons. Let's see how you like it to be made fun of, though as wrong as it would be , but it wouldn't be as effective as being jeered by a frickin' national magazine which is supposed to be professional If there was a photo of you in a nation magazine page or site and the author of the article was clearly making fun of you do to any of the listed factors above, I'm not sure you would like it that much and in fact would be furious some douche took you picture with your permission and made fun of it.

I want to petition this asshole to be removed from the magazine , otherwise I will get others to boycott the magazine until they comply and give money and an apology from both parties in front of those they screwed over.
 
So I take it you're a dick?

It's different because it's a "professional" magazine that is supposed to have a thing called "professionalism". I don't believe it's in anyway professional to make fun of a group of people in such a juvenile manner ,especially ones that probably are among your customer base? This article is different from the fact that it has the draw in as a magazine unlike those other ones which can be forgotten and ignored quite easily.

I want to know what race , creed facial looks or body type you have so I can make fun of you for X reasons. Let's see how you like it to be made fun of, though as wrong as it would be , but it wouldn't be as effective as being jeered by a frickin' national magazine which is supposed to be professional If there was a photo of you in a nation magazine page or site and the author of the article was clearly making fun of you do to any of the listed factors above, I'm not sure you would like it that much and in fact would be furious some douche took you picture with your permission and made fun of it.

I want to petition this asshole to be removed from the magazine , otherwise I will get others to boycott the magazine until they comply and give money and an apology from both parties in front of those they screwed over.

Nope, just think people are blowing this out of proportion.

White male, 25 y/o who gets a ginger beard who likes men, wears comic book clothing and works in the game industry. I'm open for all kinds of pissing taking. But Don't Be A Dick.

These kinds of jokes are everywhere in the professional types of media, television, film, whatever. Fat jokes are one of the simplest and common jokes you can make. They are bad taste, as is most stereotyping, but the difference is, as long as it's funny, you can get away with it.

The article isn't funny and it would be a completely different story if it was and were located on a different site (Men's Health wtf?). Look at Big Bang Theory, that's acceptable because it's actors playing geeks making the jokes about geek subjects, even though none of them are. I imagine part of the hate this is getting is because it's on Men's Health site and the stereotypical 'jock' type person who would have written it.

I think the article is bad (though more pointless than anything), but people need to look at it from another point of view before the huge demonizing that has gone on.
 
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These kinds of jokes are everywhere in the professional types of media, television, film, whatever. Fat jokes are one of the simplest and common jokes you can make. They are bad taste, as is most stereotyping, but the difference is, as long as it's funny, you can get away with it.

The article isn't funny and it would be a completely different story if it was and were located on a different site (Men's Health wtf?). Look at Big Bang Theory, that's acceptable because it's actors playing geeks making the jokes about geek subjects, even though none of them are. I imagine part of the hate this is getting is because it's on Men's Health site and the stereotypical 'jock' type person who would have written it.

I think the article is bad (though more pointless than anything), but people need to look at it from another point of view before the huge demonizing that has gone on.

Yeah, okay, I more or less agree with this. But I think that when stereotype-based humor is "actually funny," it's usually because something else is going on besides just "laughing at the fatties." There's some satire, or some clever phrasing, or some self-deprecation, or some character humor, or some knowing truth, or some element of the unexpected, or... something. Something besides just "they are fat and you should laugh at them because their fatness makes them worthy of your scorn."

The fact that there's none of that here makes it eminently clear that the writer never really took the article seriously as a humor piece; if he had, he would have thought up something slightly more original, more meaningful, more truthful than variations on "hurr hurr, fat people sure do eat a lot." This is nothing but a bully being a bully and then backpedaling by saying "it's just a joke, don't take it so seriously."

And I do think the fact that he writes for a fitness site, and that the weight-loss industry has never been above shaming people about their body shape to wrack up sales, makes the situation more damning. I seriously can't understand what relevance the article has to the site if not that.
 
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This reminds me of when the German TV channel RTL did an news article about a video games convention in Germany, and they were blatently making fun of people who participated in the event. They were basically making fun of their appearances and sayign that they were sexually frustrated or something like that. There were cosplayers there too, who RTL also made fun of.

Many German video games fans were angry at RTL for what they did.

I'm not German but this was very disappointing of RTL. Especially considering that they were the only German TV station to broadcast a Japanese Tokusatsu show (Winspector). I've personally lost respect for them. This sort of performance is very childish for a major TV station.

As for that loser who kept taking photoshoots of cosplayers only to make fun of them online.. well I've already said it, he's a loser.
 
So I take it none of you guys have ever laughed at a fattie?

The point of the article is harsh, but the Internet is full of images and sites devoted to demeaning to cosplayers. How's this any different?

There's a difference between a personal attack on people based on their physical attributes, and the general "lol weeaboo nerds" attitude that usually gets thrown at cosplayers or laughing at cheap/lazy costumes
 
There's a difference between a personal attack on people based on their physical attributes, and the general "lol weeaboo nerds" attitude that usually gets thrown at cosplayers or laughing at cheap/lazy costumes

The fact that he clearly got people to pose for some of these pictures is what really disturbs me. "Hey, great Iron Man costume! Mind if I get a picture?" .oO(Ha ha what a fuckin' loser, this is goin' up on my loser-post.)

On the other hand, it's possible that he told the people who posed what the pictures were going to be for and got their consent and they all had a laugh about the half-assedness of their costumes or the irony of dressing up like characters you don't physically resemble. Some people go into cosplay fully aware of that and do have a really good sense of humor about it.

But if that's the case, it makes the fact that a lot of the pictures were "candid camera" even more disturbing, since for those the people being photographed clearly wouldn't have known and wouldn't have agreed. So why did only some get to be in on the joke? Why couldn't he have just asked everyone, if at least part of the motivation wasn't bullying/body-shaming?
 
It's clear enough why this sort of thing might incite some, but I urge everyone to go back and reread the various replies in this thread so far, especially by members like Bigdog and OP, and tell me with a straight face and a good conscience that it isn't oversensitivity at being potentially ridiculed for certain lifestyle decisions manifested.

This magazine contributer guy, he doesn't come across as the most affable sort. But he's also, for all intents and purposes, pretty harmless. He happened to write an article about the epidemic of overweight people in the US and put a cosplay spin on it for laughs. If it had been a standard writeup with pictures of fat people walking around at Wal-Mart nobody would be so indignant. Probably it wouldn't even have been worth posting. But because the derisive content happened to feature fellows geeks like us (well, not ME, but the rest of you) it's suddenly an inexcusable offense. But is it really all that bad? Bad enough to warrant making plans with your consorts to boycott a certain publication or contact the guy personally and reproach him for being so inconsiderate to people who are, let's face it, overweight? There is such a thing as freedom of the press, and this guy has a right to it as much as the rest of us do. What it sounds like is that some people are so used to being disparaged for their weight or their interests that they instinctively respond to mockery in the most defensive, excessive way imaginable.

I think if some of you listened to yourselves and considered your reactions within the context that provoked them, you might find them to be a bit much.
 
It's clear enough why this sort of thing might incite some, but I urge everyone to go back and reread the various replies in this thread so far, especially by members like Bigdog and OP, and tell me with a straight face and a good conscience that it isn't oversensitivity at being potentially ridiculed for certain lifestyle decisions manifested.

Oversensitvity? I don't think so.

So people should be bullied by a national publication by a cowardly bitch like him who couldn't be man enough to say it to their faces or help them in the slightest? Like anything, obesity is a complex phenomena that depends on even more complex psychological and economic phenomena. Some people have eating disorders developed from incessant bullying from looking too different or having a different body type that isn't the society's ideal, some have genetic tendencies from ancestry like any disease while others do it for the hell of it through competition and or mental issues.

Then cue the fact that fresh and healthy foods are costlier and that many live in the city sans the farms many many years ago due to the industrialized economy , the set up and monotomy of modern society where people rarely have to walk to get to places ... just recall that it wasn't until fairly recent that man lived on the land aimlessly if not in caves while being predated by the beasts of the night so such a sudden progression into an urban lifestyle not seen since the days of the Roman Empire or more popularly Athens/Egypt.


This magazine contributer guy, he doesn't come across as the most affable sort. But he's also, for all intents and purposes, pretty harmless. He happened to write an article about the epidemic of overweight people in the US and put a cosplay spin on it for laughs.

Because the guy couldn't be a real man and talk to them face to face?

If it had been a standard writeup with pictures of fat people walking around at Wal-Mart nobody would be so indignant. Probably it wouldn't even have been worth posting....

That'a bout as tasteless.

But is it really all that bad? Bad enough to warrant making plans with your consorts to boycott a certain publication or contact the guy personally and reproach him for being so inconsiderate to people who are, let's face it, overweight? There is such a thing as freedom of the press, and this guy has a right to it as much as the rest of us do.

It is that bad. I don't stand by this bullshit to incessantly defame and slander people who dress how they want behind their backs like a pussy and being inconsiderate of them in general. And what does them being overweight have to do with anything? They could have been something else like x person is too ugly, shouldn't dress like x character because they are not that race . And I still would have stood up against it. It does not help in the slightest that it is a fitness magazine whatsoever because sorry to break it to you, many of those people probably pick those magazines up .

Freedom of the Press does not protect such slander and unprofessional bashing of people, especially since they did not authorize it. Not only now can Men's Fitness be sued because of defamation , but of using them without compensation of any kind because unlike what many people think, people own any images that are taken of them unless they agreed consciously to allow "Men's Fitness" to use them. Considering how paparazzi violate peoples' rights every day, their needs to be a check for this "freedom" written into the law to protect people from defamation unless they sign it over themselves. This however did not happen.

What it sounds like is that some people are so used to being disparaged for their weight or their interests that they instinctively respond to mockery in the most defensive, excessive way imaginable.

Wouldn't you be too in a sense? They are getting exactly what they deserve and if they lose subscribers and customers because of this, it's their fault. I don't want to foster a society that is judgmental or bigoted but at the same time do not want to encourage behaviors such as over eating, anorexia. You know, hate the sin , not the sinner?

This same attitude that people should have to the right to be able to pick and persecute others is the same for race , religion, sexuality and simple facial qualities. Doesn't the Holocaust , the Trail of Tears , the African Slave Trade , the Inquisition , the Nanking Massacre or the AIDS Epidemic ring any bells to you?

Forgive me for a being a little alarmed at this article because such things are almost always the first step towards such detestable acts of mankind and we should be trying to get away from this primitive thinking. Not regressing back into it.

I think if some of you listened to yourselves and considered your reactions within the context that provoked them, you might find them to be a bit much.

Nope. They were exactly what was needed. Nonprofessional behavior and defamation of individuals should be reprimanded and punished , not celebrated of cherished. If we were to do that, what would we be as a republic who supposedly protects others from having their freedoms infringed? That means I can take the most unflattering images of you ,and you look like x stereotype or not the ideal looks that society shoves down our throats , and defame/slander you without any repercussions. And that isn't right and shouldn't ever be.
 
Oversensitvity? I don't think so.

So people should be bullied by a national publication by a cowardly bitch like him who couldn't be man enough to say it to their faces or help them in the slightest? Like anything, obesity is a complex phenomena that depends on even more complex psychological and economic phenomena. Some people have eating disorders developed from incessant bullying from looking too different or having a different body type that isn't the society's ideal, some have genetic tendencies from ancestry like any disease while others do it for the hell of it through competition and or mental issues.

Actually, that's exactly what I'm talking about. It's oversensitive to respond so vituperatively to something so impersonal and commonplace, treating it like a concerted, deliberate attack and not a specimen of potentially offensive but ultimately innocuous levity. Going as far as to refer to is as "bullying" is just making my case for me. Bullying is the continued use of intimidation, violence or the threat of violence to elicit fear or establish subordination in the victim. There was none of that present here. This was plain old fashioned ridicule, and even if you're inclined to argue that it shouldn't occur, it does, every day, and these kinds of knee-jerk defensive reactions only ensure that it goes on.

Is it unfortunate that certain individuals feel like they have to make targets of others for their own amusement or elevation? Sure. But it's a reality that we all face, one that's probably inherent to our competitive, animalistic nature, and by protesting it so vehemently you're really just empowering the ridiculer and giving them what they want.

Then cue the fact that fresh and healthy foods are costlier and that many live in the city sans the farms many many years ago due to the industrialized economy , the set up and monotomy of modern society where people rarely have to walk to get to places ... just recall that it wasn't until fairly recent that man lived on the land aimlessly if not in caves while being predated by the beasts of the night so such a sudden progression into an urban lifestyle not seen since the days of the Roman Empire or more popularly Athens/Egypt.

Now you're just making excuses for people being overweight, which is a separate issue and one that doesn't belong in this discussion, although it is revealing as to why you think this guy was acting out of line.

Because the guy couldn't be a real man and talk to them face to face?

Talk to them about what? Obviously this dude's intention wasn't to express concern for and help people improve their physical condition, or he would be authoring books, organizing health seminars, providing personal training instruction, etc. He just got a kick out of seeing fat people in costumes way too small for them and thought others might see the humor in it as well.

That'a bout as tasteless.

Probably. But if all observation was expected to be tasteful then nothing important would ever be said.


It is that bad. I don't stand by this bullshit to incessantly defame and slander people who dress how they want behind their backs like a pussy and being inconsiderate of them in general. And what does them being overweight have to do with anything? They could have been something else like x person is too ugly, shouldn't dress like x character because they are not that race . And I still would have stood up against it. It does not help in the slightest that it is a fitness magazine whatsoever because sorry to break it to you, many of those people probably pick those magazines up .

So it's not okay to impugn someone by using them as a valid example of the overweight masses but it's perfectly acceptable to refer to people that you disagree with as "bitch" and "pussy"? How very consistent of you.

Freedom of the Press does not protect such slander and unprofessional bashing of people, especially since they did not authorize it. Not only now can Men's Fitness be sued because of defamation , but of using them without compensation of any kind because unlike what many people think, people own any images that are taken of them unless they agreed consciously to allow "Men's Fitness" to use them. Considering how paparazzi violate peoples' rights every day, their needs to be a check for this "freedom" written into the law to protect people from defamation unless they sign it over themselves. This however did not happen.

Actually, it does, because this case does not constitute slander. True defamation involves statements or implications that could be seen as misrepresentative or damaging of the character of an individual or a group. Who is being defamed here... fat people? And what counter-claim are they able to present that would make what the author included in his article baseless? Are they not actually fat? How can they include themselves in the number of those defamed without implying that the ideas behind the defamation are true? Not to mention the fact that they probably signed away any rights or expectations of privacy by being part of Comic Con, or, you know, making a public spectacle of themselves in the first place. Besides, the taker of a photograph only needs a formal release allowing them to use the likeness of another individual if the photograph is being used for commercial or advertising purposes. Anything else is fair game, including these geeks' muffin tops and love handles.

Wouldn't you be too in a sense? They are getting exactly what they deserve and if they lose subscribers and customers because of this, it's their fault. I don't want to foster a society that is judgmental or bigoted but at the same time do not want to encourage behaviors such as over eating, anorexia. You know, hate the sin , not the sinner?

What you should be concerned about encouraging is obesity, which is just as much a health problem and arguably moreso in the long term than minor eating disorders. Why is it that we as a nation have such a problem about condemning people who make valid assertions? Being overweight is not a desirable thing, and this asshole and all of his macho friends do have the prerogative to say so even if the manner in which they express themselves is inflammatory or confrontational. The issue here isn't bigotry or bullying or inferiority complexes or any other overinflated term you wanted to use to dramaticize what has happened here. The fact is we're not fostering tolerance by revolting against this guy's article but insinuating that it's perfectly alright to be overindulgent, and that we owe nothing in the way of curbing the destructive behavior of those who would just as soon eat themselves into the same grave occupied by smokers, drug addicts, drunk drivers and the intentionally malnourished.

This same attitude that people should have to the right to be able to pick and persecute others is the same for race , religion, sexuality and simple facial qualities. Doesn't the Holocaust , the Trail of Tears , the African Slave Trade , the Inquisition , the Nanking Massacre or the AIDS Epidemic ring any bells to you?

... you just compared cracking jokes about fat people to the Holocaust and slavery. Please take a breath and a step back from your computer and think before you make presumptuous and absurd remarks like that in the future.

Forgive me for a being a little alarmed at this article because such things are almost always the first step towards such detestable acts of mankind and we should be trying to get away from this primitive thinking. Not regressing back into it.

You're right, this can only end with the total genocide of fat people.

Nope. They were exactly what was needed. Nonprofessional behavior and defamation of individuals should be reprimanded and punished , not celebrated of cherished. If we were to do that, what would we be as a republic who supposedly protects others from having their freedoms infringed? That means I can take the most unflattering images of you ,and you look like x stereotype or not the ideal looks that society shoves down our throats , and defame/slander you without any repercussions. And that isn't right and shouldn't ever be.

Look, Mr. Smith, nobody is defending what this author had to say about the subjects of his article. It was malicious and ill-intentioned and didn't really serve anyone in the way of understanding or self-improvement. But if you want to start making outlandish claims about the inevitable outcomes of certain types of behavior, then you should know that if we allow people like you to dictate the ethics and consequences of what's put in a medium of free expression then we're all going to end up subjects in a totalitarian society in which self-perceived moral superiorists are going to take it upon themselves to impose judgement (ironic, right?) and punishment on those they deem a threat to the happiness of others.



In summary, **** happens in the world that we would rather not see, and sometimes, if you value a structure of freedom and person accountability, there's just not much you can do about it. Grow a pair and move on.
 

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