Nolan Batman #3: The Dark Knight Rises

Galaxian said:

But not all movies do that. Even if a few years pass by, the next film could still follow the continuity. Just look at the Predators movie last year, it followed the continuity set up by the first one.

I'm just saying that it could happen and, as a supporter of continuity, I hope it does.

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Maybe it will continue through the Justice League?

SaikoDragon said:

What FK said is partially true. The only Bane I've ever known is the one from the cartoon and the movie.

But, be that as it may, this idea that it's "This really muscle-bound dude with a mask that's actually REALLY SMART!" doesnt fascinate me.

Two-Face fascinates me. Because he suffered tragedy and loss in terms of love. He was horribly scared and suffers active multiple personality syndrome. He's interesting.

Mr. Freeze (BtAS) is interesting because he, too, suffered an ill-fated tragedy that stuck him in a frozen prison where he can no longer feel emotions and yet there's this spark still there for his lover that he still tries.

Even the penguin man. Or the riddler or the fuckin killer croc. Killer Croc didnt have **** for sympathetic backstory but he was at least abnormal looking and had the strength of a croc.

I just dont 'feel' bane, never have. I think he's boring.

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Eh? Haven't you read Knightfall? Bane pretty much created a whole new Batman in the persona of Azrael, not to mention a whole new Batman comics line after being the only one to incapacitate Bruce Wayne to the point that Bruce retired until (not spoiling any further though)... The only freaking one IIRC... And that's saying a lot.

Nolan choosing Bane as the main villain for his 3rd film is pretty logical. For one, Bane's main motivation for moving to Gotham city was the notion that fear controls the city, after all, it was Batman himself who contributed to this as established since Begins. So it makes perfect sense, plus there's that possibility that the way this trilogy will end will be how Bane's existence has affected Batman in the comics. Nolan might change it a little by having Bruce Wayne incapacitated in the end to finish his trilogy, or something else.

Bottom-line is, it may not look interesting for you since you're not familiar with him, but most fans of the comics actually feel otherwise, especially considering that it's not often we get a muscle-bound genius combination.

Now that you mention that particular Batman comic series, I remember that before the title was announced, one of the rumors was that the movie would be called "Batman - Knightfall".

I like Bane, haven't seen much of him in the comics, but I loved his bit in "Battle for the Cowl", though by then he wasn't a villain anymore.

Galaxian said:

To me, the best possible ending for this Batman trilogy is Bruce Wane buying a ticket to see the Flying Graysons.

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That would rock for a post credit scene.

I'd want him to go Metropolis for a post-credit scene. Or get interviewed by the Daily Planet. Something like that would be wild, as would getting a ticket to see the Flying Graysons.

musashi03 said:

Eh? Haven't you read Knightfall? Bane pretty much created a whole new Batman in the persona of Azrael, not to mention a whole new Batman comics line after being the only one to incapacitate Bruce Wayne to the point that Bruce retired until (not spoiling any further though)... The only freaking one IIRC... And that's saying a lot.

Nolan choosing Bane as the main villain for his 3rd film is pretty logical. For one, Bane's main motivation for moving to Gotham city was the notion that fear controls the city, after all, it was Batman himself who contributed to this as established since Begins. So it makes perfect sense, plus there's that possibility that the way this trilogy will end will be how Bane's existence has affected Batman in the comics. Nolan might change it a little by having Bruce Wayne incapacitated in the end to finish his trilogy, or something else.

Bottom-line is, it may not look interesting for you since you're not familiar with him, but most fans of the comics actually feel otherwise, especially considering that it's not often we get a muscle-bound genius combination.

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You just took the words out of my mouth. Most people who have read Knightfall pretty much know that Bane is an good if not an awesome villain. I like how he has brute strength and genius intellect while remaining sane, unlike many other Batman foes. His backstory as a test subject in prison while learning to become a criminal mastermind was very interesting too

He's not just a big guy who is also smart, but is definitely a magnificent bastard and a chessmaster. He's not exactly sympathetic like Two Face but he's just as if not even more interesting. I like to think Bane as an evil counterpart of Batman, he's like what bruce wayne would've been if hated, abused, and imprisoned rather than loved, privileged, and free. I'm hoping Nolan would keep Bane's backstory the same as in the comics.

Christopher Nolan's Batman movies are not made for fans of the comics; they're made for audiences at large with only a passing knowledge of the Batman mythos and its most famous figures. I highly doubt that he's introducing Bane as a nod or tribute, or to reference the destructive effect he had on Bruce Wayne in his arc in the original issues. Much more likely is that he and his creative team decided that many of Batman's other notable villains would be too similar in method and personality to The Joker (Riddler), too absurd to work in the world he's contrived for his series (Penguin), or too far removed from common knowledge to entice viewers (pretty much any other Batman villain). With Bane you have a character that has received exposure through previous films, without a lot of unbelievable powers and abilities, someone who has the capacity to be both physically imposing and mentally formidable (with the right writing), who can be modified to meld with the vein of realism established by the first two films.

That being said, I personally don't find Bane very interesting and I can understand why a lot of others fans don't either, though I think the aversion could easily be explained away. But it's much too early to disregard him as a competent choice for primary antagonist in Rises, and I have a lot of faith in Nolan and his ability to envision rounded, engaging characters even with limited material to work with. We'll have to see how it plays out, though I can't honestly say that I can come up with a better selection for the main villain.

musashi03 said:

Eh? Haven't you read Knightfall?

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Bro, some of us don't give a **** about comics and are all about the Movies & Animated versions. I don't blame him at all.

As a fan of Batman comics and Batman on film, it's kind of a no brainer that these movies are made for both fans of the comics and the casual viewer. He very loosely adapts Batman: Year One and The Long Halloween, and includes tons of visual nods throughout from various books.
He never marries himself to the material to the point of not being able to do his own thing, but it's familiar enough to moisten the comic book fans and still appeal to a general audience. If some of the spoilery stuff i've read is true, it's absolutely going to borrow from Knightfall, which should make for a really interesting conclusion to this series.

@Bolt & FK (The dynamic duo): I understand that, but to judge a character like Bane without having any knowledge at all about where it was based from kind of irks me. Yes, I can't blame him for not knowing, but giving it a judgment that it's not interesting at all is silly (for me). Yeah, he's reserved to his own opinion, which is why my response to him was mainly to inform him of how wrong his impression of Bane was, after all, he did say something that's factually invalid, that Bane is just a muscle-bound dude who just happens to be smart. He's more than that, trust me.