Manga Vs Western Comic

bigone said:

i own large collections of both but the way characters change under the watch of one writer or another is one reason why western Comics are not as good as manga story an character continuity is more solid in Manga so better stories can be built

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Yeah, this was such a problem in Bone and Sandman.

while 20 Century boys is pretty much to the word copy of the manga evne in this era of story decompression they manged to cover all 200 chapters in the 3 movies with no filler

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Why do you think that film has any value in existing, then? It sounds an awful lot like the Watchmen film to me-- something that's a total waste of time on its own merits, because it's just the original comics but otherwise totally inferior. Why not just read the actual work in question? A movie that makes some changes but is a good movie to me is a more interesting work than something that is slavish for the sole purpose of being slavish.

Anyway, I've seen the 20th Century Boys movie and you know what? Persepolis kicks the **** out of it on every criteria you've mentioned. :loltongue:

Lynxara said:

Why do you think that film has any value in existing, then? It sounds an awful lot like the Watchmen film to me-- something that's a total waste of time on its own merits, because it's just the original comics but otherwise totally inferior. Why not just read the actual work in question? A movie that makes some changes but is a good movie to me is a more interesting work than something that is slavish for the sole purpose of being slavish.

Anyway, I've seen the 20th Century Boys movie and you know what? Persepolis kicks the **** out of it on every criteria you've mentioned. :loltongue:

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The Watchmen movie is proof Alan Moore was right. It WAS slavish, and people STILL didn't like it because he did that comic purely to show what the comic medium could do best. Because of that, it makes sense that a direct adaptation wouldn't be as good.

It doesn't speak as well for other series if they can't be translated to other mediums though.

I don't see how. Naoki Urasawa uses his medium as brilliantly and intimately as Alan Moore. Most truly great comics and manga flounder in other media, though Japan is more willing to make movies that are big long ads for the comics. That's all I thought the 20th Century Boys movies were, frankly.

Persepolis is very faithful to the original work but cuts and streamlines the original work considerably in the interests of maintaining a better running time. The stuff that's cut simplifies the experience, so there's still value in reading the original comics (which cover a longer span of time in the artist's life).

Lynxara said:

I don't see how. Naoki Urasawa uses his medium as brilliantly and intimately as Alan Moore. Most truly great comics and manga flounder in other media, though Japan is more willing to make movies that are big long ads for the comics. That's all I thought the 20th Century Boys movies were, frankly.

Persepolis is very faithful to the original work but cuts and streamlines the original work considerably in the interests of maintaining a better running time. The stuff that's cut simplifies the experience, so there's still value in reading the original comics (which cover a longer span of time in the artist's life).

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Nah, I was referring to an interview I read where Alan Moore goes into intense detail about how he wrote Watchmen with the intention of showing what the comic book medium could do--specifically utilizing techniques that could only be used inside of comics.

All I'm saying is most other comics aren't written that way, and as a result if they don't translate well it's a result of a failing by the director, actors, or someone involved in the film process.

...Granted. All of this is neither here nor there to me, because I think films are absolutely AWFUL for adapting comic books, which are a serial medium to begin with. I would prefer them using "mini-series" to adapt comic book stories, the way they do manga in Japan, but that may never happen.

Lynxara said:

I don't see how. Naoki Urasawa uses his medium as brilliantly and intimately as Alan Moore. Most truly great comics and manga flounder in other media, though Japan is more willing to make movies that are big long ads for the comics. That's all I thought the 20th Century Boys movies were, frankly.

Persepolis is very faithful to the original work but cuts and streamlines the original work considerably in the interests of maintaining a better running time. The stuff that's cut simplifies the experience, so there's still value in reading the original comics (which cover a longer span of time in the artist's life).

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list of manga movies that are cannon
21
Azumi
Oldboy
Dragoball the magic begins
Yawara
Initial d
Comic based movies that are not

V for Vendetta
Watchman
all of the spiderman movies
X Men Origins wolverine[my biggest problem was what they did to Deadpool]

fyi V for vendetta if one of my top ten ever Graphic Novels i like ot more tan watchman the additions made tho the story were pointless
X men origins

I haven't read Manga for AGES, but when I'm reading comic books, I read Manga more than the American stuff. This is not to say I don't like the American stuff I just find Manga more interesting. Dunno why, maybe I'm a bit too familiar with Spiderman, etc and I wanna read something a bit unusual, and Manga offers that.

Sage Shinigami said:

I would prefer them using "mini-series" to adapt comic book stories, the way they do manga in Japan, but that may never happen.

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Well, we'll get to see how this works out soon with AMC's Walking Dead.

That reminds me, gotta watch the 3rd Century Boys movie XD

Lynxara said:

Yeah, this was such a problem in Bone and Sandman.

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WTFFFFFFFFFF.

You shut your mouth - Bone was perfect!

I was being sarcastic, man. As far as I'm concerned Bone is the Platonic ideal of sequential art.