ryuuseipro
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But it premiered in 1988, thus it is the last Showa Rider Series. (Heisei began in 1989.)
KR Shin, ZO and J Showa or Heisei ?
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But it premiered in 1988, thus it is the last Showa Rider Series. (Heisei began in 1989.)
Fantasy Leader
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I understand why the 90s movies are grouped together with the Showa seasons. But the only problem, is that the name of the era as a whole is called the "Showa Era."
Let's Go-On
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I think the reason for the first Kamen Rider series to J being Showa is because Ishinomori was involved in all of them up until his death before Kuuga, who was the start of the Heisei Riders.
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Maybe it should be called the "Ishinomori Era" instead?
Aoi Kurenai
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Black and RX, sure, but the shows before that were Touru Hirayama's just as much as they were Ishinomori's.
KaenBurakku
like a SPINNING WHEEL
The Showa and Heisei Era's were time periods in Japan, others such as the Meiji and Taisho Era's.
It's why they're called that.
If you wanted to make a Ishinomori Era, Kuuga would be grouped in there as well, although there were other people to contribute to those as well. Like Hirayama, who produced a majority of the Rider series. He also helped design Ichigo's suit.
EDIT: Just saw Ryoutarou's post. Agreed
It's why they're called that.
If you wanted to make a Ishinomori Era, Kuuga would be grouped in there as well, although there were other people to contribute to those as well. Like Hirayama, who produced a majority of the Rider series. He also helped design Ichigo's suit.
EDIT: Just saw Ryoutarou's post. Agreed
ryuuseipro
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Yeah, that doesn't make much sense, even on Toei's say-so. Shin was the beginning of the Heisei Riders. I think Toei/Bandai is trying to distance all of the Ishinomori-created Riders from the ones they can market more easily, from Kuuga onward.
Toho's official titles for the different Godzilla series is the Showa Series (1954-1975), VS (Versus) Series (1984-1995), and Millennium (Mireniamu) Series. That makes better sense that the second series being called "Heisei," because G84 was the last made in the Showa period.
The Gamera films made sense also: The Showa Gamera Series (1965-1980) and Heisei Gamera Series (the 1995-1999 Trilogy and 2006). Much simpler.
Igadevil
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They're Heisei. You can't just bend periods of time because something "feels" like it should belong to a different era, Toei/fans/both.
To be honest though, I don't think any of the terminology ever really works. I despise "New Gen"/"Old Gen" because they a) look stupid and b) don't and won't make sense after a given period of time. Kuuga is not new anymore. In 30 years, Double is going to be the old stuff that mom and dad watched while the kiddies have their Kamen Rider Biomechic Fusionator.
"Ishinomori Era" also has its problems. I mean look at the Kuuga thing... some people swear up, down and backwards that he planned the entire thing, plus Agito and 1/2 of Hibiki, when all he really did was sign off in 1998 on the idea that "yeah, let's do another Rider series" and some preliminary sketches which- trust me- are a faaaaaaaaaaar cry from what ended up as Kuuga. Some fans consider 1~ZX to be unique in the fact that they're made under Hirayama, but if you're going to divide things by producer then it gets really confusing.
Using the actual Japanese dating system is the most logical, aside from Toei generally not knowing where to put Shin, ZO & J. They're grouped with the older guys, probably cuz of Ishinomori and the gap between J and Kuuga. Fair enough, though it's still incorrect to call them Shôwa because, well, they're not. "Classic Riders" or something, okay. I mean hell, if you must have them appear in the Shôwa group photo, fine. But know the difference.
Thus I prefer to just say "the older Riders" and the "newer Riders" cuz honestly, Kuuga, Agito, etc. are feeling pretty old to me now. :laugh:
To be honest though, I don't think any of the terminology ever really works. I despise "New Gen"/"Old Gen" because they a) look stupid and b) don't and won't make sense after a given period of time. Kuuga is not new anymore. In 30 years, Double is going to be the old stuff that mom and dad watched while the kiddies have their Kamen Rider Biomechic Fusionator.
"Ishinomori Era" also has its problems. I mean look at the Kuuga thing... some people swear up, down and backwards that he planned the entire thing, plus Agito and 1/2 of Hibiki, when all he really did was sign off in 1998 on the idea that "yeah, let's do another Rider series" and some preliminary sketches which- trust me- are a faaaaaaaaaaar cry from what ended up as Kuuga. Some fans consider 1~ZX to be unique in the fact that they're made under Hirayama, but if you're going to divide things by producer then it gets really confusing.
Using the actual Japanese dating system is the most logical, aside from Toei generally not knowing where to put Shin, ZO & J. They're grouped with the older guys, probably cuz of Ishinomori and the gap between J and Kuuga. Fair enough, though it's still incorrect to call them Shôwa because, well, they're not. "Classic Riders" or something, okay. I mean hell, if you must have them appear in the Shôwa group photo, fine. But know the difference.
Thus I prefer to just say "the older Riders" and the "newer Riders" cuz honestly, Kuuga, Agito, etc. are feeling pretty old to me now. :laugh:
Aoi Kurenai
Mad Skillz
So were any images of Ishinomori's early sketches for Kuuga ever released? I'm assuming Kuuga wasn't even Kuuga at this point, just "Kamen Rider 10"...series-wise, anywho.
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