(KR:Decade) Kadoya Tsukasa is an evil character: A character analysis

[NeonZ]

Likewise, Tsukasa is frequently shown as totally indifferent to other people's problems sometimes...

I think the indifference he displayed at times was created by a lack of connection to the others, rather than just an egocentric atittude.

When he acts like he's indifferent to others, it's more like he isn't even realizing that he's hurting them. There's clear backing of that in the Ryuuki World arc, when he decided to just follow Yusuke's intuition because he judged himself unable to understand others. And, in the Blade arc, he immediately changed his atittude regarding Kendate after Yusuke tried to show that Tsukasa was actually trying to help (even though, up to that point, he wasn't).

When there's a eminent clear threat, like a physical attack, he several times throughout the series immediately moved to stop it, even using himself as a shield.

I can imagine some terrible event causing Tsukasa to begin behaving like this, out of despair or frustration. It's consistent with his often-displayed personality flaws of egocentrism and indifference.

I don't disagree with this point, but the moment of that change of attitude was never properly shown, which is the problem.

Instead the movie focuses on detailing the fights instead of establishing why anyone should give a damn about the fights. This I think was a failure on the basic production level.

Rewatching the movie, I think there was just too much of everything for the 40 minutes alloted to it. The only really gratuitous match up before Tsukasa's return was the J battle and most Riders didn't even appear in the movie at all. Almost every piece of dialogue was expository or plot relevant ("Yusuke and Kivara disappeared since that day...", "Tsukasa just took these weird photos", "I'll become a devil", "it's time to receive a power that not even a devil can touch.", etc), so there wasn't much that could be removed in that point either.

(Numbers for the DC version)
42m:35s-43m:45s (Introductory battle , which set up Tsukasa's current state, 1m:10s)
47m:00s-47m:25s (Tsukasa vs Yusuke's troops, which showed Yusuke confronting him head on, 25s)
48m:30s-49m:45s (Decade vs J, also, Natsumi meets Yusuke, 1m:15s)
50m:10s-50m:30s (Tackle's introduction vs Riot Troopers, 20s)
1h:00m:37s-1h:01m:40s (Decade vs Ryuuki & Blade, almost half of it wasn't even in the original cut, 1m:03s)
1h:02m:05s-1h:03m:55s (Decade vs Ultimate Kuuga, 1m:50s)
1h:04m:30s-1:05m:30s (Decade vs Kiva-la, 1m:00s)
1h:09m:45s-1h:11m:10s (Super Shocker's attack up to Yusuke's return and Tackle's death, 1m:25s)
1h:17m-1h:22m (Start of the final battle against Super Shocker up to the ending of the Decade story)
Total: 13m:28s

The Decade part just needed more screen time... or the removal of the entire Super Shocker subplot, which I've always felt was rather tacked on.

Recently I've found more evidence of that idea, like the mention on the wikipedia article that Tackle's backstory was changed. Originally she'd just be looking for Stronger, who'd die in the initial scene rather than Kabuto... Yet, they scrapped that story entirely, and made her story in the movie have nothing to do with her being Tackle... apparently just to tie her with a Super Shocker character.

Comparatively, the Double part's action scenes:

(Yet again, numbers for the DC version)
8m:55s-11m:35s (Double vs Death Dopant, 2m:40s)
18m:50s-20m:40s (Soukichi vs Sonozaki, 1m:50s)
23m:00s-23m:15s (Soukichi's death - not counting his last words, 15s)
24m:25s-26m:30s (Double's first transformation + FangJoker, 2m:5s)
37m:10s-42m:20s (Final battle against Death Dopant and Sonozakis, 5m:10s)
Total: 12 minutes

13 minutes and 28 seconds vs 12 minutes

So, there wasn't actually much more action in Decade, it just had a larger number of smaller action scenes. Decade's part actually needed just more screen time in general... or no Super Shocker, which could have been left for the crossover segment, if they had been willing to focus less on Double there.

 

[Darkster]

I don't think Tsukasa is evil. He has no story.

This is true. He has no story.

^ agreed. Tsukasa existed because of Inoue's poor writing.

No.

The reason why Decade exists because of 10th anniversary.

"He does exist for the 10th Heisei anniversary"-ish. He's a marketing gimmick. There isn't a Showa anniversary Rider like him.

Seriously. Out of genuine curiosity, how long does it take for bad Rider memes to die anyway?

(Dammit. I like this thread's idea, but I gotta go to work...)

It takes 5,730 years until it stops being radioactive dies.

 

[NeonZ]

If you dislike Decade so much without even having watched it, why are you posting in this topic anyway?

"He does exist for the 10th Heisei anniversary"-ish. He's a marketing gimmick. There isn't a Showa anniversary Rider like him.

Did you seriously say that?

Really, are the only Rider series that you've watched Faiz, Double and OOO?

 

[Darkster]

...Because we all know ZX had his own show and three movies?

And no, dude. Haven't you seen me discuss more than Faiz, Double, and OOO? Ryuki was my first full Rider series.

 

[NeonZ]

...Because we all know ZX had his own show and three movies?

Chou Den-O is basically a Den-O movie, in spite of the Decade name there.

Anyway, ZX was the commemorative 10th Rider created in a feature that mostly celebrated the franchise's history. And he was supposed to have his own tv series, although that ended up not happening somehow.

And no, dude. Haven't you seen me discuss more than Faiz, Double, and OOO? Ryuki was my first full Rider series.

Those 3 series are the only ones that I've seen you discussing in any detail. Everything else, you just leave a broad comment and is done with it.

 

[Lynxara]

I think the indifference he displayed at times was created by a lack of connection to the others, rather than just an egocentric atittude.

I don't think why he feels that way particularly matters. It still departs enormously from the "script" of mediocre superhero writing to depict a main character who isn't instantly invested in other people's problems.

Like I said, I don't think it makes him a bad person, just an average person. Most people don't recognize that they're hurting others when they hurt them, after all. The human tendency is often to just be oblivious or to not care.

Rewatching the movie, I think there was just too much of everything for the 40 minutes alloted to it.

There was. Personally, I think the way to address this would've been to use the film's screen time more efficiently. You can do a lot with 40 minutes if you cut your script down to the bone.

Decade was not even remotely a well-structured script. The entire battle sequence J appeared in was pointless. I personally found a lot of the exposition totally needless and overly-long.

The Super Shocker stuff was entirely a waste of time that should not have been in the film at all. Focusing on the Rider War and Tsukasa's resurrection would've given you plenty of movie and it would've been a more interesting movie.

I suspect Super Shocker was added so they'd have a big setpiece action sequence for the third part of the film, but I think there were more elegant ways the script could've set up a big ridiculous CG threat for the finale. They could've just done something with Narutaki, for instance.

 

[Undrave]

Oh yeah dropping Super Schocker and just having Narutaki as some sort of cosmic entity that gets pissed off would have been nice and made some fuckin' sense.

Also I don't like to consider All Riders VS Daischocker as canon, its place is the story is so badly executed it just hurts my head ><

 

[Fragbait]

Oh yeah dropping Super Schocker and just having Narutaki as some sort of cosmic entity that gets pissed off would have been nice and made some fuckin' sense.

Also I don't like to consider All Riders VS Daischocker as canon, its place is the story is so badly executed it just hurts my head ><

Bad writing doesn't excuse something from a canon.


Great points brought up in this thread, solid stuff. I wasn't trying to totally sway people, just give thoughts and make a healthy discussion that wasn't totally about Decade-Bashing. Kami knows I could go on for days about the problems I have with Decade.

 

[Undrave]

I thought All Rider was going to give us some semblance of answer as to what is going on and it didn't really. The worse offender is possibly Narutaki who sides with DiEnd and Natsuki (even going "Decade isn't the real destroyer of Worlds!") and then turns around and goes back to being antagonistic for whatever arcane reason he is in the first place, going so far as joining Super Shocker in the last movie ><

 

[NeonZ]

I don't think why he feels that way particularly matters. It still departs enormously from the "script" of mediocre superhero writing to depict a main character who isn't instantly invested in other people's problems.

Like I said, I don't think it makes him a bad person, just an average person. Most people don't recognize that they're hurting others when they hurt them, after all. The human tendency is often to just be oblivious or to not care.

I don't have anything to add. We agree on something for once.

I thought All Rider was going to give us some semblance of answer as to what is going on and it didn't really. The worse offender is possibly Narutaki who sides with DiEnd and Natsuki (even going "Decade isn't the real destroyer of Worlds!") and then turns around and goes back to being antagonistic for whatever arcane reason he is in the first place, going so far as joining Super Shocker in the last movie ><

Huh? Actually, the first thing Narutaki says when he meets Natsumi is "I warned you! I said Decade was the destroyer of worlds." It seems that he didn't know Tsukasa had been kicked out of Shocker by that point.

In Movie Wars, Tsukasa accuses Narutaki of having joined Shocker just because he hated him so much. So, I guess that his Tsukasa hate was the whole reason Narutaki didn't just join Dai-Shocker in the first place and joined it later.

Of course, that still doesn't help explaining anything about his backstory or just why he hates Tsukasa so much.