Kamen Rider Ryuki - Talkback

[musashi03]

It's simply the old "it was all a dream" ending cliche with a basically magical excuse given as to how it was a dream. "It was all a dream" endings are very rarely any good because writing them well is supremely difficult. Ryuki's was not pulled off especially well, it was just the textbook cliche laid out with no real glorification of what came before.

Hmmm... I beg to differ, if it was in the eyes of Shiro, then "it could be all a dream" is possible, but in this case we have tons of characters who have contributed to the events which led to the whole reset. If it was all a dream, then all of their actions are indeed "superfluous" since the dream itself is fictitious and doesn't mean the actions of each character are the real representations of that character, whereas in Ryuki, we had a reset ending which is different since the events indeed happen, yet we have all of them not knowing whatever took place. What is important is that the viewers saw what took place, saw the values of each characters, saw their determination, and treating that simply as a "dream" doesn't do it justice since it is a misrepresentation. In fact, even with all of the events being reset, we still have our characters acting the way they were or the way they should have been, in the case of Shinji and Ren, it's like "I think I know this guy from somewhere, or another lifetime..." which doesn't happen in a dream since they couldn't share a dream. The point was everything did happen, even if they didn't knew it, but they all contributed to the ending wherein there is no longer a Rider War... As extreme as it was, it was what was necessary since the state of the world has already become too extra-ordinary and must be returned to normal.

 

[Darkster]

Okay, enough. People ARE NOT trolls because they disagree with you. Trolling is when you state something you may not even believe purely for the purpose of pissing people off.

THAT'S why multiple people have called you a troll, because you've been doing this for the past few weeks and then trying to turn it around on others--but no one's fooled.

You waste your words. I don't take anything you say serious. All you do is complain about things and pretend your word is what matters and that everyone else is wrong. This is not the case. Multiple people have not called me a troll. You're just trying to make people mad by posting what you think is better than anyone else's opinions. I do take into consideration the opinions of others and I acknowledge that there may have been an ending others may have wanted. All you say is it's terrible in your eyes so it must just be plain terrible. It isn't.

Hmmm... I beg to differ, if it was in the eyes of Shiro, then "it could be all a dream" is possible, but in this case we have tons of characters who have contributed to the events which led to the whole reset. If it was all a dream, then all of their actions are indeed "superfluous" since the dream itself is fictitious and doesn't mean the actions of each character are the real representations of that character, whereas in Ryuki, we had a reset ending which is different since the events indeed happen, yet we have all of them not knowing whatever took place. What is important is that the viewers saw what took place, saw the values of each characters, saw their determination, and treating that simply as a "dream" doesn't do it justice since it is a misrepresentation. In fact, even with all of the events being reset, we still have our characters acting the way they were or the way they should have been, in the case of Shinji and Ren, it's like "I think I know this guy from somewhere, or another lifetime..." which doesn't happen in a dream since they couldn't share a dream. The point was everything did happen, even if they didn't knew it, but they all contributed to the ending wherein there is no longer a Rider War... As extreme as it was, it was what was necessary since the state of the world has already become too extra-ordinary and must be returned to normal.

Right. Calling it off as a dream doesn't do it justice. A dream does have meaning, but this is different. You got to understand characters and their motivations. You see their dreams and you see them die all for a war that one man creates for yet his own reason.

 

[Sage Shinigami]

You waste your words. I don't take anything you say serious. All you do is complain about things and pretend your word is what matters and that everyone else is wrong. This is not the case. Multiple people have not called me a troll. You're just trying to make people mad by posting what you think is better than anyone else's opinions. I do take into consideration the opinions of others and I acknowledge that there may have been an ending others may have wanted. All you say is it's terrible in your eyes so it must just be plain terrible. It isn't.

I should take odds on how long it'll take you to get banned, but man...I so don't care enough. Good luck though.

 

[Forever Knight]

Precisely. The reset wasn't a cop-out; Shiro finally realised that Yui would never accept her new life if it meant sacrificing others, no matter how many times he reversed time, and so he did it one last time to return everything to normal and make Yui happy.

Finally someone here using the brain God gave them.

 

[Black Fang]

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is brainless?

*gasp* You hate others' opinions! You're an elitist! You have no friends!

 

[Sage Shinigami]

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is brainless?

*gasp* You hate others' opinions! You're an elitist! You have no friends!

lol So the goal here clearly isn't to be the bigger man. Got it.

 

[Black Fang]

The goal is to expose hypocrisy, because I'm sick of this double standard.

 

[Skiks]

Well to be honest ryuki was not all that great. The only real characters in that show is pretty much Knight or Raia. The other characters are really just extremes of a concept. Sure they exist but they aren't all that relateable.
The reset endings I have mixed feelings about. Sure you might say it's a cop out and go with that. But the ending itself clearly had a purpose beyond the "happy ending". It also cost the lives of 2 people because they both decided to give everyone the happy ending kinda thing. I mean W pretty much had this concept going on in it's end. A sacrifice was needed for the greater good. But there was still a sense of loss whether it be relationships forged between our main leads or the girl they never got a chance to meet.

 

[Forever Knight]

lol So the goal here clearly isn't to be the bigger man. Got it.

Does the guy actually still reply to me?....

 

[musashi03]

Well to be honest ryuki was not all that great. The only real characters in that show is pretty much Knight or Raia. The other characters are really just extremes of a concept. Sure they exist but they aren't all that relateable.

Hmmm... I think that's why Shiro chose specific types of people. It doesn't really matter how common or uncommon they are, even if the issue is that they are "unrelatable" (if there's such a word), but the whole point was to have a character who will stop at nothing to win the game. If Shiro just handed out decks to regular people, they people would complain "Eh? No fucking way that dude is gonna go the distance to make the series interesting!"... So it's one ball or the other, and in Ryuki's case, those specific attitudes worked for the premise of the show, which is "fight to the end".

The reset endings I have mixed feelings about. Sure you might say it's a cop out and go with that. But the ending itself clearly had a purpose beyond the "happy ending". It also cost the lives of 2 people because they both decided to give everyone the happy ending kinda thing. I mean W pretty much had this concept going on in it's end. A sacrifice was needed for the greater good. But there was still a sense of loss whether it be relationships forged between our main leads or the girl they never got a chance to meet.

This I agree on, it's one of those shows that makes you feel sentimental on "what could have been" since everything was pretty much returned to a clean slate. It makes the viewers choose between a world where "you meet your friends but amidst chaos", or a world where "you're alone, yet it's peaceful"... Though the show pretty much chose the peaceful route, but that's where I think one ending of the 13 Riders special comes in.