Kamen Rider Kiva: Theories
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Kamen Rider Spade
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Um, what?
Well so far we have no other candidates for Wataru's mom; I don't think this plot point is one they intend to hide from us (unless they have some stupid deus ex machina), so Queen is the logical mother.
I think the major plot point to be revealed is why Wataru, as a part-fangire, is killing fangires, and how the current Kivat came to be, as presumably the previous Kivats were on the fangire's side.
Also note the Queen rose-petal (white) motif, while the modern Kiva's red rose-petal motif.
One thing I'm kind of annoyed is that they're laying on the '86/'08 parallels way to thick. You can have the eras relate without having every single damn thing mimicked.
I think the major plot point to be revealed is why Wataru, as a part-fangire, is killing fangires, and how the current Kivat came to be, as presumably the previous Kivats were on the fangire's side.
Also note the Queen rose-petal (white) motif, while the modern Kiva's red rose-petal motif.
One thing I'm kind of annoyed is that they're laying on the '86/'08 parallels way to thick. You can have the eras relate without having every single damn thing mimicked.
KivaWataru
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First off, before I say much more there are actually several theories that I have seen, heard, and thought of myself. However I'll only just send out a few.
As we know, Queen is more than likely Wataru's mother (Otoya's reaction when we saw episode 20 raw is evidence to this). Another thing to take note of is the way that she destroyed a fangaia when she revealed her Checkmate Four symbol. Her surroundings changed to much of the likeness of current Kiva's when he performs Darkness Moon Break. This showed that Wataru did somewhat inherit his mother's abilities in this sense when he becomes Kiva. That and she had a Kivat (possibly Kivat III's father?) flying around her at the end of the episode before the previews for 21.
The Darkness Pledge that is mentioned in the wiki: why was it made? Myself and my sempai have come up with the thought that possibly something happens to Yuri (and maybe a pregnant Queen as well with our "new" knowledge?) get into some kind of trouble - like life threatening trouble - and Otoya, Jiro, Ramon and Riki are all forced to work together to make such a pact that would be binding in the way that we know now. Don't quote me on this, it's just a thought.
Now as far as what happened in the past two episodes with everything that is Otoya!Wataru... I don't believe that that could count as a true possession. Yes, possession is the involuntary spiritual takeover of a human body by a spirit with the "victim" having no knowledge of what occurs during that time. HOWEVER from what we witnessed - as someone noted - Otoya didn't know who Wataru was or what year it was (the way he reacted when he saw the date 2008 alone showed this). My thoughts/theory is that it probably has to do with a whole out of body experience for Otoya - meaning that it happened while he was unconscious. He took over Wataru's body suddenly and just as suddenly would leave.
And as far as the Bloody Rose varnish thoughts, one small problem with the blood in the varnish: Otoya had the Bloody Rose when he met Oomura (the frog fangaia that watched/followed the Black Star). It was the Bloody Rose that Oomura fixed - which is why he recognized it when Wataru let him hold it. Otoya didn't know Queen then and they hadn't had Wataru yet. And from other theories that I've been hearing, the Bloody Rose was actually Otoya's violin when he was a famous violinist before he stopped playing and became a teacher.
And has anyone noticed that much of what's happening in the show is setting up for the movie? Any theories and/or thoughts after what's been seen (even including the "secret" preview at the end of Climax Deka) to what may happen?
As we know, Queen is more than likely Wataru's mother (Otoya's reaction when we saw episode 20 raw is evidence to this). Another thing to take note of is the way that she destroyed a fangaia when she revealed her Checkmate Four symbol. Her surroundings changed to much of the likeness of current Kiva's when he performs Darkness Moon Break. This showed that Wataru did somewhat inherit his mother's abilities in this sense when he becomes Kiva. That and she had a Kivat (possibly Kivat III's father?) flying around her at the end of the episode before the previews for 21.
The Darkness Pledge that is mentioned in the wiki: why was it made? Myself and my sempai have come up with the thought that possibly something happens to Yuri (and maybe a pregnant Queen as well with our "new" knowledge?) get into some kind of trouble - like life threatening trouble - and Otoya, Jiro, Ramon and Riki are all forced to work together to make such a pact that would be binding in the way that we know now. Don't quote me on this, it's just a thought.
Now as far as what happened in the past two episodes with everything that is Otoya!Wataru... I don't believe that that could count as a true possession. Yes, possession is the involuntary spiritual takeover of a human body by a spirit with the "victim" having no knowledge of what occurs during that time. HOWEVER from what we witnessed - as someone noted - Otoya didn't know who Wataru was or what year it was (the way he reacted when he saw the date 2008 alone showed this). My thoughts/theory is that it probably has to do with a whole out of body experience for Otoya - meaning that it happened while he was unconscious. He took over Wataru's body suddenly and just as suddenly would leave.
And as far as the Bloody Rose varnish thoughts, one small problem with the blood in the varnish: Otoya had the Bloody Rose when he met Oomura (the frog fangaia that watched/followed the Black Star). It was the Bloody Rose that Oomura fixed - which is why he recognized it when Wataru let him hold it. Otoya didn't know Queen then and they hadn't had Wataru yet. And from other theories that I've been hearing, the Bloody Rose was actually Otoya's violin when he was a famous violinist before he stopped playing and became a teacher.
And has anyone noticed that much of what's happening in the show is setting up for the movie? Any theories and/or thoughts after what's been seen (even including the "secret" preview at the end of Climax Deka) to what may happen?
NagaKarat
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My theory is that Otoya knows more about the Fangire than he let on. Bloody Rose is probably made when Otoya made a pact with the first Kiva, which is his firstborn to be given to the Fangire. 
And Megumi is half wolfen who is going to go berserk later in the series. Then everyone will go hunting her, Wataru trying to save her while Nago for the kill. then we'll get a henshin female character on the side of good but because she cannot be classified as a Kamen Rider she would not die.
And Megumi is half wolfen who is going to go berserk later in the series. Then everyone will go hunting her, Wataru trying to save her while Nago for the kill. then we'll get a henshin female character on the side of good but because she cannot be classified as a Kamen Rider she would not die.
kei_chan09
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a good entry! good job. u just like, made my head nod.
FreedomR8G6B1
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...remember Tackle?
R.I.P.
Sorry, O-Wataru reinforced the concept of Otoya being Kivat III.
FreedomR8G6B1
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*double post*
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