Kamen Rider Dragon Knight - "Calm Before The Storm" - Talk Up!

I think the survive forms look really stupid. They should have ignored it in Dragon Knight all together. But since they chose to use the footage, their explanation that Kase didn't get her's is somewhat understandable. Because inevitably, people WILL ask if all the riders have a survive form or they'll say, " In Ryuki they blah blah blah... and why didn't they do that in dragon knight?..." Bore... :(
 
Not to start a full length debate but....

-In "Kamen Rider Thrust," Kit and Drew go all the way back to Kit's house JUST so they could hear Maya's message on the answering maching telling Kit that Drew was tricking him.

How is that contrived?

Kit obviously doesn't have a cell-phone, or a computer for that matter.

The two had nothing else to do other than to regroup and consider things before heading out again, giving Drew a chance to lecture Kit more about "screwing up the mission," as well as to show that he wasn't very good at keeping up the charade when he wasn't in control of the situation.

Not to mention Maya could only contact Kit via long distance, as she had only just gotten out of Ventara without any sort of quick transportation.

The "answering machine" set-up is a perfectly understandable device, in this case, and it wasn't the only purpose of the scene either. I honestly don't see what your problem is with it.

-In "Kamen Rider Siren," Kase saves Kit from getting vented by Axe, then fights Kit. Huh?

A-She didn't attack with intention of saving Kit, she attacked the Rider with the weapon (and potentially dangerous Final Vent, at that) in his hand. Namely Axe.

B-Strategy. Obviously the Rider on the ground, already mere seconds from being vented before she walked in, is likely the weaker one of the two. And as she sees the Earth Riders already as below her abilities, decided to take out the one that was likely stronger. She could mop up the weaker Rider, collapsed on the ground and already on the verge of defeat, later.

Honestly, she didn't say anything about helping Kit; she simply appeared, knocked Axe out of the way, yelled "End of the line,imposter!" and proceeded to mop the floor with him. Once he retreated, Siren turned to focus on Dragon Knight. Again, how is that contrived or an example of "horrible writing?"

-Kase just HAPPENED to have ONLY Kit and Len's Survive cards, especially when she has NO reason to keep Dragon Knight's. Huh?

Note how Siren says she ran in, grabbed whatever Survive Cards she could and then ran out before the whole base was blown up. She didn't have a chance to really think and choose which ones she took. And if she couldn't go back to look for rest of them in the wreckage that must have been one heck of an explosion.

Also she kept the cards with no idea that either Dragon Knight or Wing Knight's decks were with users on her side. Considering as how they're labeled as pretty powerful cards, just getting rid of them and letting Xaviax find them for his army (which she assumed ALL the current Riders were a part of) to use would be pretty foolish. It's called keeping away potential avenues of success from your enemy. Also, as we know, only Dragon Knight and Wing Knight have actual Survive suits and footage to use, and considering the low-budget and the marketing, it HAD to be those two; no contrivance here, just simple hand-waving as to why only those two got upgrades and not her.

-Len keeps all the advent decks conveniently in his pockets, and JTC conveniently steals ONLY the Thrust and Sting decks.

This one I can agree with a little, however without seeing the scene myself I can't really judge too harshly on this yet. If only Sting's and Thrust's decks fell out, then I can agree it's a little off; not "horrible, unbareable to watch writing" but a little suspect. If others fell, Strike grabbed what he could and ran off, and just so happened to be ones linking to more Ryuki made material. Simple reworking of story elements, nothing more.

Also how is Len keeping the Advent decks in his pockets "convienent," where else is he supposed to keep them? When Xaviax can simply dispatch a minion from any reflective surface to take them, why wouldn't he stick to keeping them on his person. Not to mention he probably he has some sentimental value regarding them. Likely wanting to keep them out of Xaviax's hands or get vented trying.

Dragon Knight may not have the best writing in the world, but I don't see how these are examples of "contrived writing."
 
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I think the survive forms look really stupid. They should have ignored it in Dragon Knight all together. But since they chose to use the footage, their explanation that Kase didn't get her's is somewhat understandable. Because inevitably, people WILL ask if all the riders have a survive form or they'll say, " In Ryuki they blah blah blah... and why didn't they do that in dragon knight?..." Bore... :(

Then don't bother watching Dragon Knight if you have something against the use of the Power-Up Forms or something else.
 
B-Strategy. Obviously the Rider on the ground, already mere seconds from being vented before she walked in, is likely the weaker one of the two. And as she sees the Earth Riders already as below her abilities, decided to take out the one that was likely stronger. She could mop up the weaker Rider, collapsed on the ground and already on the verge of defeat, later.
That's some piss poor strategizing. If you see two dudes fighting, you want them BOTH gone, you wait for one to finish the other off. Then take out the weakened Rider left standing. Besides, she sees them fighting each other and automatically thinks they both fight for Xaviax? HUH?
considering the low-budget and the marketing, it HAD to be those two; no contrivance here, just simple hand-waving as to why only those two got upgrades and not her.
Why didn't Siren mention them until just now? There's a million ways they could have introduced a powered up form without coming off as silly and contrived.
Also how is Len keeping the Advent decks in his pockets "convienent," where else is he supposed to keep them?
Somewhere without a reflective surface.
 
Kit obviously doesn't have a cell-phone, or a computer for that matter.

The two had nothing else to do other than to regroup and consider things before heading out again, giving Drew a chance to lecture Kit more about "screwing up the mission," as well as to show that he wasn't very good at keeping up the charade when he wasn't in control of the situation.

Not to mention Maya could only contact Kit via long distance, as she had only just gotten out of Ventara without any sort of quick transportation.

The "answering machine" set-up is a perfectly understandable device, in this case, and it wasn't the only purpose of the scene either. I honestly don't see what your problem is with it.

Kit and Drew just got out of a battle with Camo not even half an hour earlier, so they go all the way back to Kit's house for Drew to chew him out for all of TWO MINUTES, before Drew says they need to go back out and look for Wing Knight.

So Maya just happens to call at the exact time they get home to tell Kit that Drew was tricking him, and this is right before they were about to leave.

So basically, they came back to Kit's house for all of TWO MINUTES just so Kit could hear Maya's message at the EXACT time she sends it? And that's not contrived?

Not to mention nobody even has answering machines like that anymore.

A-She didn't attack with intention of saving Kit, she attacked the Rider with the weapon (and potentially dangerous Final Vent, at that) in his hand. Namely Axe.

B-Strategy. Obviously the Rider on the ground, already mere seconds from being vented before she walked in, is likely the weaker one of the two. And as she sees the Earth Riders already as below her abilities, decided to take out the one that was likely stronger. She could mop up the weaker Rider, collapsed on the ground and already on the verge of defeat, later.

Honestly, she didn't say anything about helping Kit; she simply appeared, knocked Axe out of the way, yelled "End of the line,imposter!" and proceeded to mop the floor with him. Once he retreated, Siren turned to focus on Dragon Knight. Again, how is that contrived or an example of "horrible writing?"

I'm gonna agree with what Quark said and go that's HORRIBLE strategy. If one rider is about to get vented by the other, you don't jump in and start attacking the supposed stronger one. You wait until he finishes off the weak one, and THEN go after him.

And in the off chance she thought they were both working for Xaviax and maybe were having some sort of scuffle, her jumping in the fight like that could have easily backfired, as they both could've ganged up on her and taken her out. It's like when you try to get involved in a domestic violence case. All of a sudden they're BOTH fighting YOU.

Note how Siren says she ran in, grabbed whatever Survive Cards she could and then ran out before the whole base was blown up. She didn't have a chance to really think and choose which ones she took. And if she couldn't go back to look for rest of them in the wreckage that must have been one heck of an explosion.

Also she kept the cards with no idea that either Dragon Knight or Wing Knight's decks were with users on her side. Considering as how they're labeled as pretty powerful cards, just getting rid of them and letting Xaviax find them for his army (which she assumed ALL the current Riders were a part of) to use would be pretty foolish. It's called keeping away potential avenues of success from your enemy.

This is my whole point. If the other Survive cards were destroyed, then destroy those two as well. If she thinks Dragon Knight and Wing Knight aren't on her side, she has NO reason to keep them around. Obviously, I agree that she shouldn't just throw them in the trash, but destroy them too so they can't get them. Because if she were so convinced Dragon Knight and Wing Knight weren't on her side, and they were to find out that she had them, it would be a big problem. Besides, they could easily double-team her and vent her, and when they took her advent deck, they'd see that she had them. So they'd end up in their hands anyway.

Also, as we know, only Dragon Knight and Wing Knight have actual Survive suits and footage to use, and considering the low-budget and the marketing, it HAD to be those two; no contrivance here, just simple hand-waving as to why only those two got upgrades and not her.

That doesn't change the fact this is an incredibly stupid way to give Kit and Len their Survive cards.

Also how is Len keeping the Advent decks in his pockets "convienent," where else is he supposed to keep them? When Xaviax can simply dispatch a minion from any reflective surface to take them, why wouldn't he stick to keeping them on his person.

You know what you do? Lock them up in a Drawer in Kit's house. Xaviax hasn't even tried going there (despite apparently knowing exactly where he lives), and it's a non-reflective surface, so that works too. Just don't have them some place like on Len's person where they can easily get lost or taken away.

Not to mention he probably he has some sentimental value regarding them. Likely wanting to keep them out of Xaviax's hands or get vented trying.

Which he fails miserably at in this very scene (granted, he WAS blindsided, but still)
 
Too much whine in this thread.

If you don't like Kamen Rider Dragon Knight, DON'T WATCH IT! FOR A SAKE.
 
I was under the impression this was a discussion thread and not a glory hole for the Wang Bros. My mistake.
 
You know the fact that they said everyone had a survive card means that in the video game or Future Video Games for this show they might just add more Survives, like the few others Japan made but never really used.
That would be neat.
 
You know the fact that they said everyone had a survive card means that in the video game or Future Video Games for this show they might just add more Survives, like the few others Japan made but never really used.
That would be neat.

Could be. Maybe they might add Zolda's Survive Form for Torque in the games or if he ever comes back.

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