Joss Whedon on Why DC Sucks in Movies....

[VengeanceGOD]

Landors, if you're going to post something that huge, use the hide tags please.

 

[Tanuki]

Asked by Maxim why DC Comics was having a hard time turning its superheroes into movies, he said: “Because, with that one big exception (Batman), DC’s heroes are from a different era. They’re from the era when they were creating gods.

“And the thing that made [rival publisher] Marvel Comics extraordinary was that they created people. Their characters didn’t living in mythical cities, they lived in New York. They absolutely were a part of the world. Peter Parker’s character (Spider-Man) was a tortured adolescent.

DC’s characters, like Wonder Woman and Superman and Green Lantern
, were all very much removed from humanity. Batman was the only character they had who was so rooted in pain, that had that same gift that the Marvel characters had, which was that gift of humanity that we can relate to.â€


http://www.beyondhollywood.com/joss-whedon-on-dc-comics-marvel-and-that-wonder-woman-movie/

Joss Whedon can suck my cock. The man can only write snarky, cynical people who die. Quite frankly, if he can't imagine how to work DC characters into movies (when superman was the first major superhero movie, as he so conveniently forgets) he shouldn't comment. As it is, these characters are still attached to humanity simply by living among them. PEople tend to forget that before he was a reporter and a superhero, Clark Kent was a farm boy who was fairly normal, despite his powers. Wonder Woman is a feminist and the Flash is a forensic scientist. The movies form around these simple elements, not the costume

 

[prometheus126]

and this is coming from the hack writer who threw his making of buffy couldn't even understand the concept of subtlety.

seriously, I despise when people talk crap about DC comics. let's forget that DC has the balls to go out and mature their characters, create deep complicated storylines and reinvent their main characters. marvel wins because their characters look cool!!!

 

[VengeanceGOD]

Actually, both companies have been guilty of numerous attempts in the last few years to "deepen" and "mature" their characters, which usually means turning them into amoral a-holes by killing as many people around them as possible. No thanks.

 

[prometheus126]

well, my problem with marvel is they keep on screaming about "oh, we lost the comic books code!! we lost the comic book code!!" and the such, yet they continue to do the same thing over and over and over again. I have no problems with Cable killing foot soldiers because, well, I can believe that. but they never let their characters really develop beyond their pseudo "he's a regular teenager" or "he's the gruff guy" or "he's russian and likes borsch!" characterization that marvel has been pedaling for the last couple of decades now.

I would personaly love marvel to do something like the killing joke or watchmen or something besides their usual fare of characters with ungodly assortments of guns and rocket launchers and bazookas.

 

[Tom Constantine]

seriously, I despise when people talk crap about DC comics. let's forget that DC has the balls to go out and mature their characters, create deep complicated storylines and reinvent their main characters. marvel wins because their characters look cool!!!

Remember removing Mary Jane from the Spider-Man world? That reinvented Spider-Man and everyone cried themselves to sleep saying it was a terrible comic. Although I think part of that was everyone hating the writer because supposedly he's a complete dick, yadda yadda. I've stated a few times on here that it was just fanboys with their panties in a twist about it rather than bad writing or decision. It changed the story for the time being, God forbid anyone tries to do that.

It's not Marvels fault of when they change their characters and people hate it, it's the auidence.

I think i went off topic a bit.

 

[MattComix]

Asked by Maxim why DC Comics was having a hard time turning its superheroes into movies, he said: “Because, with that one big exception (Batman), DC’s heroes are from a different era. They’re from the era when they were creating gods.

“And the thing that made [rival publisher] Marvel Comics extraordinary was that they created people. Their characters didn’t living in mythical cities, they lived in New York. They absolutely were a part of the world. Peter Parker’s character (Spider-Man) was a tortured adolescent.

DC’s characters, like Wonder Woman and Superman and Green Lantern
, were all very much removed from humanity. Batman was the only character they had who was so rooted in pain, that had that same gift that the Marvel characters had, which was that gift of humanity that we can relate to.”

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/joss-whedon-on-dc-comics-marvel-and-that-wonder-woman-movie/

First of all, **** Maxim. Secondly, news flash Josh, Marvel characters were created in a different era to.

The characters are only totally removed from humanity if you're looking at them from a very narrow, dismissive, and overly cynical point of view. Case in point I guess.

At the same time though, I've always thought that the difference between them is that DC has the icons and Marvel has to some degree lovable misfits and neither is a negative. These differences are a strength.

DC shouldn't try to be Marvel but instead do what they do best. There's an old ad line DC used have "DC: Where Legends Live" and that's how they should roll wether in print or on film. But behind those legends, those gods there IS humanity. Humanity is at the core of Superman. **** this thing of just casually dismissing anybody but Batman because they weren't designed with a Stan Lee style requisite quirk or angst.

 

[HaiTien78]

which usually means turning them into amoral a-holes by killing as many people around them as possible. No thanks.

Hal Jordan is guilty as charged

 

[Skinwalker]

Given the right writer, and with that writer given the right liberties to write well without restrictions DC has placed on certain characters in the past, DC characters can work just as well.
DC and Marvel are very different... I always saw DC as focusing on the idea of the lives of superheroes, what it's like to be one, live in a world full of them, etc... But even if it is a different world, why can't that work? Plenty sci-fi series and movies work just fine taking place in space or with completely 'out there' ideas. There are plenty successful high fantasy films. How is DC really that much of a stretch, just because its iconic characters are... Iconic characters?

From what I've read of his work, Whedon shouldn't be allowed anywhere near comic books anyway, especially when they're not of his own creation... But I just get frustrated whenever I see his name, sorry.

 

[ryuuseipro]

That's such a copout. Just because the characters are essentially gods doesn't mean that they can't be relatable. Superman at his core is human. He was raised by humans. His alien heritage makes him feel like an outsider which is something a lot of people can relate to. His powers and Kryptonian origins only add great stories to tell. Green Lantern is a normal guy given powers of a god. Other characters including the Flash, Green Arrow, etc are all people just as much as Spiderman and his amazing friends.

I, too, must take Joss Whedon's claims to task. I don't see how heroes like Superman, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman can't be relatable to people. In his early life as Clark Kent, Superman felt like an outcast (and was even tempted to use his powers for personal reasons), but he was raised by loving parents (like Peter Parker), and learned that with great power comes great responsibility. Superman is all about control over one's own power. Otherwise, he wouldn't be Superman now, would he?

And having already had a coming-of-age adolescence on her home Paradise Island, what path should Wonder Woman take when she leaves for America? And come on! Wonder Woman is the best-known comic-book superheroine to this day! DC's gotta' do more with her than is realized.

The supposedly-"realistic" Batman is now more powerful and invincible than he really should be (and done so in a really childish way). So much that it's become a double-standard in relation to the rest of DC's roster. DC might as well have changed its name to Bat-Comics. Just like how the Children's Television Workshop changed its name to Sesame Workshop, because, unfortunately, Sesame Street is its main game now, and they've rarely diversified.

When dealing with their own characters, Marvel is at the bottom of the barrel. But on the plus side, they are starting to diversify! Diversification has become their strong point lately. Their comic version of The Wizard of Oz actually looks interesting.