Is Bioman really all THAT great?

The_Next!!!

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One thing I've noticed is that Bioman gets showered with praise a lot when in my eyes it's run of the mill and surpassed by the two following series. I think a lot of it is Nostalgia Filter because they grew up watching it. I can't find any other reason.
 
One thing I've noticed is that Bioman gets showered with praise a lot when in my eyes it's run of the mill and surpassed by the two following series. I think a lot of it is Nostalgia Filter because they grew up watching it. I can't find any other reason.

I disagree. I watched the first seven episodes as a DUB and liked it. This, while I was in the middle of laughing my ass off at how stupid they sounded.
 

The_Next!!!

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Sage, you misunderstood me. I never said Bioman was bad or anything. I'm just wondering why some say its the best sentai ever.
 

Shougo B'Stard

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I hate whenever somebody prefers something old it just must mean that they're OLD TIMERS, STUCK IN THE PAST, WEARING NOSTALGIA SHADES. Ugh. Couldn't it just be...hey, the show was actually well made and good? With some of these shows, you need to put things in perspective. If you became a Sentai fan with the 32nd entry, when you go back and watch the eleventh show, you need to keep in mind things like effects limitation, the fact that there was just a different style of storytelling in television at the time, and what had all be done with the franchise by that point. You might see nothing special in, say, Maskman, but at the time it was kicking down some boundaries.

I do think Bioman is overrated, but it's not a bad show. It's Gekiranger of the '80s. It's a good show, but when people call Geki a "gem" or say sentai died after Bioman...I raise an eyebrow.

I think Bioman took some ideas from Denjiman and Sunvulcan, slammed 'em together, and improved upon some of the ideas. I think he Bio Planet has a more interesting background than the Denji Planet, and I find Dr. Man himself to be more interesting than any of the Black Magma characters. But this could be biased, since I think Hirohisa Soda is a better writer than Shozo Uehara.

For me, a big weakness of Bioman is the heroes. Red and Yellow get the focus, and they are good, but Blue's just sort of there, and Green and Pink have the misfortune of being played by who I consider to be the only poor actors to play a hero in the Showa shows.
 

Oedipus 3000

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It was the first ever sentai to hit the Philipines and became a gargantuan hit over there. My country and theres seems to have a huge impact on Americas views on toku, strangely enough, and helps mold the fandom.

Bioman was a classis to alot of Pinoys so it's ineviatable it gets that huge of a status, Kinda like Kamen rider Black and Flashman. We keep telling you guys how fricking awesome and amazing the shows are and then you guys see it and go "is that it?"

Bioman was pretty awesome though and tried to do something new and different atleast.
 

The_Next!!!

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I hate whenever somebody prefers something old it just must mean that they're OLD TIMERS, STUCK IN THE PAST, WEARING NOSTALGIA SHADES. Ugh. Couldn't it just be...hey, the show was actually well made and good? With some of these shows, you need to put things in perspective. If you became a Sentai fan with the 32nd entry, when you go back and watch the eleventh show, you need to keep in mind things like effects limitation, the fact that there was just a different style of storytelling in television at the time, and what had all be done with the franchise by that point. You might see nothing special in, say, Maskman, but at the time it was busting down a lot of different doors.

I do think Bioman is overrated, but it's not a bad show. It's Gekiranger of the '80s. It's a good show, but when people call Geki a "gem" or say sentai died after Bioman...I raise an eyebrow.

I think Bioman took some ideas from Denjiman and Sunvulcan, slammed 'em together, and improved upon some of the ideas. I think he Bio Planet has a more interesting background than the Denji Planet, and I find Dr. Man himself to be more interesting than any of the Black Magma characters. But this could be biased, since I think Hirohisa Soda is a better writer than Shozo Uehara.

For me, a big weakness of Bioman is the heroes. Red and Yellow get the focus, and they are good, but Blue's just sort of there, and Green and Pink have the misfortune of being played by who I consider to be the only truly awful hero actors of the Showa shows.

Hey shougs, that just about sums up what I think. My first sentai I finished was Dynaman, before anyone says I'm jaded lol.
 

Geord

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I marathoned the dubbed version of the show and freaking loved it. I don't remember one episode that I wasn't totally entertained by. The Bio Hunter is one of my favourite villians of all time, plus the theme song is just awesome.
 
I hate whenever somebody prefers something old it just must mean that they're OLD TIMERS, STUCK IN THE PAST, WEARING NOSTALGIA SHADES.

Depends on who it is. I can only take people so serious when EVERY NEW SERIES is garbage and almost every old series is the best thing ever.

I do think Bioman is overrated, but it's not a bad show. It's Gekiranger of the '80s. It's a good show, but when people call Geki a "gem" or say sentai died after Bioman...I raise an eyebrow.

Yeah, me too, actually. WTF.

I never said Bioman was bad or anything. I'm just wondering why some say its the best sentai ever.

Ah. My bad. Okay, your answer is: Yellow Four died.
 

Shougo B'Stard

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Yellow Four wasn't the first sentai character to die, so it can't really be that. I think people just mostly dig that the Gear didn't have monsters of the week, but giant robots of the week. If mecha's your thing...Bioman might appeal to you more.

But the sad thing about Yellow Four's death is...writer Hirohisa Soda supposedly had big plans for the Mika character, she was meant to share the show with Gou/Red. And I thought she was pretty interesting, because she was the first Black Condor type of character in sentai where she was initially ambivalent about being a hero, and I thought that was pretty unique to do with a heroine.

But the actress dropped out, for whatever reason, and we then wind up with what I consider to be a pretty disappointing exit for the character. I know her departure was sudden, so they scrambled with what to do, but they could have made it a little more interesting. It just didn't have the dramatic impact for me that there should have been, just watching the suit and hearing some random seiyuu doing her voice.
 
Yellow Four wasn't the first sentai character to die, so it can't really be that. I think people just mostly dig that the Gear didn't have monsters of the week, but giant robots of the week. If mecha's your thing...Bioman might appeal to you more.

Yeah, but its the one that gets the most attention for it. I don't really mean to detract from Bioman as I loved what I saw of it (and if someone bothers to sub it I'll follow it diligently). Its just that when people talk about Bioman what's mentioned most often is the mecha bit, and Yellow Four's death. (Sadly.)

But the sad thing about Yellow Four's death is...writer Hirohisa Soda supposedly had big plans for the Mika character, she was meant to share the show with Gou/Red. And I thought she was pretty interesting, because she was the first Black Condor type of character in sentai where she was initially ambivalent about being a hero, and I thought that was pretty unique to do with a heroine.

But the actress dropped out, for whatever reason, and we then wind up with what I consider to be a pretty disappointing exit for the character. I know her departure was sudden, so they scrambled with what to do, but they could have made it a little more interesting. It just didn't have the dramatic impact for me that there should have been, just watching the suit and hearing some random seiyuu doing her voice.

So she didn't even do the voice for her character in episode 10?
 

Shougo B'Stard

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Its just that when people talk about Bioman what's mentioned most often is the mecha bit, and Yellow Four's death. (Sadly.)

Don't forget Bio Hunter Silver. I mean, he's cool, but he's also one of the things people single out about the show.

So she didn't even do the voice for her character in episode 10?

A voice actress named Mayumi Tanaka dubbed her in episodes 9 and 10.
 

angelicnoir

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I grew up watching Bioman in the Philippines so that reason why I like it a lot is because of that. Granted, when I chose to watch the Filipinos actors dubbing a Japanese show in English recently, I really can't help but react like this :sly:

she was the first Black Condor type of character in sentai where she was initially ambivalent about being a hero, and I thought that was pretty unique to do with a heroine.

That's the reason why I liked her character. She didn't just jump the gun about being a hero. I was really disappointed with how she died too, but it was the first time I saw one of my favorite heroes die, so that definitely impacted me as a kid.

I personally don't think it's the best sentai ever, since I'm not too much into mech fights, but it's definitely a classic for me.
 
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Dr Kain

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Bioman is vastly overrated. It is a good show, but it is not even close to the quality some make it out to be.

First off, it seemed cool that they killed off the yellow ranger at first, but when you get over the fact that a ranger died, it was a pointless death. For one thing, you never get to see the actress unhenshined at all during her death episode, which completely ruined the entire emotions you should have felt during her final scene. Then she is just replaced the next episode like nothing at all, and while I love her replacement, it is something that should have been done maybe 3-4 episodes later, not the immediate episode after next. There should have been something to show for the loss of the girl to make the impact of her death detrimental. Instead, she is just as I said, knocked to the sideline for an immediate replacement who just suddenly appears out of nowhere, but we are expected to believe that she too was chosen long ago. I understand the actress dropped out, but that means nothing to me series wise. They really dropped the ball on this opportunity.

Next up, the villians. They started out interesting, with each villian having a monster that follows them and it being a variation of mecha instead of the usual monster of the day growing, but after 20 episodes, they became less interesting. Seeing the same regular monster over just gets tedious, so what did they do? Upgrade them as if that was supposed to fix things. As for Doctor Man himself, he became a lame villian and the most intersting episode was the one where they tried to assassinate him, but then suddenly, he returns but there is no consequence to those that betrayed him other than some quick beating. The only villian I thought really had a bite to him was Silva, but by the end he seemed to be nothing more than a gimmick. Doctor Man had some good development towards the end, but his final scene really did not show it at all, and the other villians also just became mere puppets for they had no development at all.

The plot itself was weak too, as nothing really ever happened after Yellow died. It had some moments, but some of the rangers became out of character in the later half of the series that it also ruined the development for me it had. Not to mention a lot of the plots were just dry and boring.

Like I said, it isn't a bad series, but it is far from being anywhere near as great as it has been praised. As for those who say Sentai died after Bioman, they are dead wrong, because you had Liveman, DaiRanger, KakuRanger, CarRanger, Gingaman, AbaRanger, and GekiRanger long after it.
 

Shougo B'Stard

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As for Doctor Man himself, he became a lame villian and the most intersting episode was the one where they tried to assassinate him, but then suddenly, he returns but there is no consequence to those that betrayed him other than some quick beating.

Did you fall asleep and miss the scene where he was erasing their memories and reprogamming them? :p

Doctor Man had some good development towards the end, but his final scene really did not show it at all, and the other villians also just became mere puppets for they had no development at all.

I thought his final scene was pretty strong. He's dying and losing the last little bit of humanity that Shuuichi is desperately hoping he can reach in order to get him to stop the bomb. He's out of his head in the last scene, not even recognizing Shuuichi or his family picture, and Dr. Man just dies in front of his son, leaving the Bioman to deal with the bomb.

There's some good stuff with Dr. Man, and he's the highlight of the show for me. I think the actor does a great job, and it's sad that he went from playing a great part like that to the silly, unimportant, helium-voiced Gorma chief in Dairanger.
 

UkiyaSeed

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It was the first ever sentai to hit the Philipines and became a gargantuan hit over there. My country and theres seems to have a huge impact on Americas views on toku, strangely enough, and helps mold the fandom.

Bioman was a classis to alot of Pinoys so it's ineviatable it gets that huge of a status, Kinda like Kamen rider Black and Flashman. We keep telling you guys how fricking awesome and amazing the shows are and then you guys see it and go "is that it?"

Bioman was pretty awesome though and tried to do something new and different atleast.

The first Sentai that aired here in the Philippines was JAKQ, it was quite underrated but it was mentioned in a local novel on a scene where to characters of the said novel debated which was a better sentai, JAKQ or Star Rangers/Goranger. The first sentai that became a hit here in the Philippines was Star Rangers/Goranger... and it was later on banned because according to the Pres. Marcos, it distracts kids studies along with Voltes V, Daimos and Mazinger Z. But you were right, Bioman was a gargantuan hit here in the Philippines along with Maskman.
 

Kaiju

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Hah since we traded and I gave you 8 DVDs and you gave me 5. I was just half-messing... Remember , Akakage is 8 DVD series??? You gave me 6-10 of don't even recall what series Goggle V or something :loltongue:
 

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