I think I'm having a weird mid-life break down...

Only thing I bloody want out of this series, is ONE SCENE, at least ONE SCENE, in which a villain actually laughs at the fruity look of a Rider and that underestimation ends up being his/her doom. This way, at least it doesn't feel like they're trying to insult our intelligence.

I dunno, I really doubt Gaim will end up being a series that can support this kind of scene. It's looking pretty likely that the villains will use the same powers as the heroes, so they'll probably already be aware that you can murder the hell out of everything with the right Lock Seed. Anybody laughing at the heroes' appearance would have to be a passerby or maybe a little kid. And that's honestly straying a bit into Akibaranger territory.

One of the things I find kind of admirable about Gaim so far is that despite being saddled with maybe the dorkiest of all Rider gimmicks, the staff are playing it completely straight and sticking to telling the story. They're shooting the giant oranges and gaudy pineapple flail the same way they'd shoot a more conventional design. It makes the whole thing more tolerable, though I can't say I like it. The fruit motif forces a lot of bad things on the Gaim designs, totally unrelated to whether they're silly or not.

I'm going to say this in a similar way to how you did:
If you think this is ridiculous but don't find Spider-Man or even Batman the same, then get the entire **** out of here.

Eh. It seems very presumptuous to me to say that just because all superheroes are at least a little bit ridiculous, they're all equally ridiculous. No, most of the Gaim Riders are just a lot stupider-looking than Spider-Man or Batman, whose costumes tend to be designed by all-time comic book greats.

The Gaim suits were clearly designed by some dude at PLEX, probably with their original bird-based designs sitting at their left, and some whiskey and a revolver containing a single bullet on the right. Hand shaking, the artist attempts to figure out how an unfolded orange can be turned into armor...

I mean plotwise, yeah, Gaim is really no worse than the vast majority of superhero stuff, period. Actually, it's much better than probably 60% of the drek in the genre. But that doesn't change the fact that a hero's costume is effectively his face, and most of the Gaim Riders have faces only a fanboy could love.

It's unfortunate, and I can see why older-school fans drawn to a more sleek, subdued aesthetic might find Gaim's gaudy piles of plastic not to their liking. So, hey, take a break for a year, go watch other shows where the design sense isn't dictated by Bandai's focus groups.

Come back when Rider happens to be doing something you like. You'll be happier that way. Eventually, every franchise you ever loved in your youth will betray you if it's allowed to live long enough. It's not healthy to get too attached to what is, effectively, just corporate IP.

But nobody was scared of grasshoppers until Hongo Takeshi started high-kicking people in the face. :laugh:

In the original manga, Kamen Rider was a warrior who represented the wrath of nature turning against those who sought to corrupt it for selfish ends. That is why the Shocker monsters are menacing, dangerous animals, which humans find threatening. The hero is a grasshopper because that creature is viewed as a benevolent animal in Japanese culture, one who is a friend to humans and symbol of good luck. There is no other animal whose motif would make more sense for Kamen Rider, given that story's purposes. Kamen Rider is not meant to be threatening or deadly. He is an ally and defender against the true source of evil in the world (which, to Ishinomori, would always be human greed and the military industrial complex).
 
In the original manga, Kamen Rider was a warrior who represented the wrath of nature turning against those who sought to corrupt it for selfish ends. That is why the Shocker monsters are menacing, dangerous animals, which humans find threatening. The hero is a grasshopper because that creature is viewed as a benevolent animal in Japanese culture, one who is a friend to humans and symbol of good luck. There is no other animal whose motif would make more sense for Kamen Rider, given that story's purposes. Kamen Rider is not meant to be threatening or deadly. He is an ally and defender against the true source of evil in the world (which, to Ishinomori, would always be human greed and the military industrial complex).

In all fairness, that was a part of my initial argument. The basic idea I was getting at is that while fans consider fruit "weird", they seem to be perfectly fine with grasshoppers, which are one of the most harmless insects I can think of. I will admit that I obviously didn't know any of that (you're a wealth of knowledge as always), but its nice to know I was slightly pointed in the right direction.
 
I mean plotwise, yeah, Gaim is really no worse than the vast majority of superhero stuff, period. Actually, it's much better than probably 60% of the drek in the genre. But that doesn't change the fact that a hero's costume is effectively his face, and most of the Gaim Riders have faces only a fanboy could love.

You know, I'm gonna present a quick anecdotal challenge to this: the only people I see turned off by the fruity theme are fanboys. I've shown Gaim to a number of my "Muggle" friends, and they think the costumes are cool -- largely because of the interesting designs and the bold color schemes. Then, when I point out that the characters are based on different types of fruit, they laugh and say, "Japanese people are crazy." (Note: I haven't shown anyone Gaim's Pineapple Arms -- that design, I admit, incorporates the fruit motif with the subtly of a sledgehammer).

Ignoring that bit of casual racism, I think non-fans are more inclined to like the designs because they have no preconceived expectations. Whereas fanboys have nothing but preconceived expectations and are known to react violently to all elements that don't perfectly conform.

But at the end of the day, it's the story that matters. Not liking a show because of the design motif is definitively superficial.
 
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Then I just got distant from it all. Maybe it was all too silly for me, or maybe I just grew out of it. I don't know. But I still want to be part of it. Every year I keep my eye on the new series coming out and make sure to watch a few episodes just to see if maybe it will rekindle that spark I once had.

So obviously, when learning of Kamen Rider Gaim, I read this bit of interesting information.
Ryuki as an inspiration? Focus on drama? Tired of the "2 rider" default? R U SRS? This is AWESOME! I can't wait to check out this show.

Orange Arms? Banana arms- BANANA ar- Is that asshole a pineapple?

This. is. fucking. stupid.

I damn near cried when I saw this. How are you going to make this a drama?

*Urobuchi's main goal for the early arcs of the series is to "...build up a story that most fans are used too, only to tear it down with new and surprising twists."

You can't say he didn't deliver.He sure did surprise you.:laugh:

Would referring to the Lockseeds as having a forbidden fruit theme later when it inevitably turns out that they have a terrible effect when eaten make this show edgy enough for you?

Also, Showa had some goofy crap too.
 
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K, I know that most of you are strangely resistant to me sharing my design insight; but I'm gonna do it anyway! So first things first, while Bandai did push the fruit element they weren't in charge of the designs themselves. They most likely did not get to dictate how much the fruit element was incorporated into the suit designs. So stop saying its all Bandai's fault cuz its only partially theirs.
 
K, I know that most of you are strangely resistant to me sharing my design insight; but I'm gonna do it anyway! So first things first, while Bandai did push the fruit element they weren't in charge of the designs themselves. They most likely did not get to dictate how much the fruit element was incorporated into the suit designs. So stop saying its all Bandai's fault cuz its only partially theirs.
They probably did dictate it. There wouldn't have been any fruit motif at all if not for Bandai. The production team had their own idea of what they wanted to do and then Bandai essentially said "FRUITS.NOW." and this locked the production team into making a design that heavily incorporates fruit imagery into the suits. Producer Takebe wanted a straight up armor and warrior/knight series before Bandai stepped in and demanded fruit.
 
oh jeez, another person complaining about the show. i wonder if people even watch episodes of the show before judging it, or they are just too blind on what the show is about to even care.

honestly i love how well they did the fruit theme here, the series has sort of a nature motif to it mixed in with japanese culture and norse mythology, and i love how vibrant the atmosphere is in the show, so colorful and imaginative.

all i'm saying you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover.
 
Kouta's growing to become one of my favorite Riders already. And those smiles.
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And it's surprisingly refreshing to see a Rider actually just play about with his belt.

"How should I transform with this?"
"What can I even do with this?"

It's pretty relatable, I mean who wouldn't mess about at first with their powers if they got a Rider belt.
 

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