I think I'm having a weird mid-life break down...

[Twisted_Edge]

Seeing the debate flare up between the Midnighter and Lynxare feels kinda like **** getting real here as well.

Now, I can get that people don't like the suit design. I like it myself,think it's a great design for a samurai suit and fits the theme of the show. But that's build around this idea to make it fit in. So no surprise there.

But if you see how the riders are used and how the suits look in action, the perspectiv changes. They've "fixed" Pinapple Arms for instance. This is new ground for PLEX and the suit guys as much as it is for us.

I've shown this design to some friends and other folks I know. Most of them laughed. That's a good reaction to my opinion. Then you tell them what the show's about, most people say it sounds and looks very interesting.

So what I'm asking myself is, why do people "hate" Gaim. It's a big break from the norm and far from the grasshopper themed cyborg Karate Bugman that the "Old School" crowd loves. I can get that. But is that really it?

The show's team looks like they're giving it their all off the bat. Four episodes in and we keep getting things to laugh, wonder and speculate about. There's a natural progession to the show that show's Urubutchi's hand at work. And he's cooking something up that may change our minds about the show. It's gonna rock my world at the very least. He ahs done before.

The show's fun and interesting as far as I'm concerned and giving me a bit of fun on otherwise sometimes dreadfully dull days. The play with new and interesting concepts. They tell an interesting story IMO and they're building an expanding world and an expanding cast.

Sure, I'd like a Cyburg Bug rider any day of teh week. Hongo's as basdass as they come. But I've excepted that that era has gone and a new one is looming. I just sit back and enjoy the fanboy rage...

 

[Glamador]

The show's fun and interesting as far as I'm concerned and giving me a bit of fun on otherwise sometimes dreadfully dull days. The play with new and interesting concepts. They tell an interesting story IMO and they're building an expanding world and an expanding cast.

I actually feel like I'm having Gaim withdrawal this week.

Seriously, after a whole year of Wizard these past few weeks have been just bliss...and while I'm sure anything (except maybe Ryuki or Black...) could look good in comparison, I genuinely like Gaim. The characters are behaving in interesting, varied ways when presented with super-power-granting belts and each with their own motivations and agendas that are going to be expanded on and eventually clash in an epic Rider on Rider war with horses and motorcycles and armies and I can't wait to see that.

I just hope when we get there that it doesn't turn out like the Decade movies...*shudder*

 

[Shougo B'Stard]

I'm a little tired of the implication that, if you don't accept all of Toei's screwing with the franchise, that it means that you're some purist who wants every single Kamen Rider ever to be a cyborg fighting Shocker, that you just want them to clone Hiroshi Fujioka and keep using him. Sure, there's some purists like that, and most of them have long ago given up on the franchise, but that's not everyone.

Although I like the '70s Riders and love Kamen Rider Black, I remember always wanting the franchise to shake things up. The '90s movies showed what the franchise could do when it could shake formula, and it was an interesting glimpse. I remember always wanting a Rider show to do something different and to maybe, just maybe, have more than one Rider. Kuuga was certainly something different, and so was Agito, and -- look, more than one Rider! Wow! Those two shows are what REALLY got me into the franchise.

And there ARE certain things required in order to make Kamen Rider "Kamen Rider," most which have been brought up by people in this thread and the "What makes a Kamen Rider thread." To me, Kuuga and Agito did a great job at doing something different with the brand, but still managing to keep those core ingredients. The crucial ingredients to Kamen Rider isn't **** like saying henshin or having just a Rider Kick or whatever. I'm talking about the core themes, the lone hero who has lost his humanity/become superhuman, but is trying to cling to that last shred of humanity and spare others from suffering their fate. That doesn't mean every Rider needs to be a goddamn Nazi cyborg experiment -- Kuuga, Agito, Ryuki, Faiz and Blade did variations of this theme. Even Hibiki and Wizard had the ingredients, but they weren't made the priority, and the shows suffered for that.

I know people whine when this is said, but Kamen Rider is supposed to be "dark." Not necessarily the hero, but the world he lives in. I'll risk repeating myself and say Kamen Rider is basically Batman, and it's been in the Adam West stage for years now. It might be what's fun right now, it might be what's making money right now, but it's not the character, and it's going to do more harm for the franchise in the long run. Look how long it took Batman to shake off the West image, old chum.

P.S. I don't think Ishinomori's family are quite on-board with what Toei's doing. Son Shou Onodera is the one always credited as "supervisor" on the Heisei shows, and apparently is just pleased to shut up and cash the check. But I've read that eldest son Jou Onodera -- you know, the son that basically helped create the character, the one who has appeared in a few of the shows, the one who co-wrote a Rider movie -- DOESN'T approve of what Toei's done with the franchise, and has pretty much distanced himself from the company and is kind of miffed at his brother about what's gone on.

P.P.S. What is this derogatory "Karate Bugman" description that people think is so funny and keep using? Stop trying to make Karate Bugman happen!

 

[PalleteRider]

P.P.S. What is this derogatory "Karate Bugman" description that people think is so funny and keep using? Stop trying to make Karate Bugman happen!

Probably because of consistency???

 

[Shynilyte]

Gaim looks like it's heading somewhere dark. Dancing is getting phased out for Rider battles, and Yggdrasil corp looks like they're sinister.

or is their last hoe

hey now

The Rider Arm suits are clearly cheaper than the standard tv show ones, even the proportions of some suits, like Ryugen and Baron(who almost looks like he's wearing a painted carboard box) just seem wrong - like something they attempted to do as cheaply and fast as possible, rather than specifically molded for the Gaim suits.

I like them, but I think the negative reaction is also perfectly understandable.

Yeah, they look just plain tacked on. But that's what happens when you slap together things that were designed separately.

 

[yanuhm]

I'm a little tired of the implication that, if you don't accept all of Toei's screwing with the franchise, that it means that you're some purist who wants every single Kamen Rider ever to be a cyborg fighting Shocker, that you just want them to clone Hiroshi Fujioka and keep using him. Sure, there's some purists like that, and most of them have long ago given up on the franchise, but that's not everyone.

Although I like the '70s Riders and love Kamen Rider Black, I remember always wanting the franchise to shake things up. The '90s movies showed what the franchise could do when it could shake formula, and it was an interesting glimpse. I remember always wanting a Rider show to do something different and to maybe, just maybe, have more than one Rider. Kuuga was certainly something different, and so was Agito, and -- look, more than one Rider! Wow! Those two shows are what REALLY got me into the franchise.

And there ARE certain things required in order to make Kamen Rider "Kamen Rider," most which have been brought up by people in this thread and the "What makes a Kamen Rider thread." To me, Kuuga and Agito did a great job at doing something different with the brand, but still managing to keep those core ingredients. The crucial ingredients to Kamen Rider isn't **** like saying henshin or having just a Rider Kick or whatever. I'm talking about the core themes, the lone hero who has lost his humanity/become superhuman, but is trying to cling to that last shred of humanity and spare others from suffering their fate. That doesn't mean every Rider needs to be a goddamn Nazi cyborg experiment -- Kuuga, Agito, Ryuki, Faiz and Blade did variations of this theme. Even Hibiki and Wizard had the ingredients, but they weren't made the priority, and the shows suffered for that.

I know people whine when this is said, but Kamen Rider is supposed to be "dark." Not necessarily the hero, but the world he lives in. I'll risk repeating myself and say Kamen Rider is basically Batman, and it's been in the Adam West stage for years now. It might be what's fun right now, it might be what's making money right now, but it's not the character, and it's going to do more harm for the franchise in the long run. Look how long it took Batman to shake off the West image, old chum.

P.S. I don't think Ishinomori's family are quite on-board with what Toei's doing. Son Shou Onodera is the one always credited as "supervisor" on the Heisei shows, and apparently is just pleased to shut up and cash the check. But I've read that eldest son Jou Onodera -- you know, the son that basically helped create the character, the one who has appeared in a few of the shows, the one who co-wrote a Rider movie -- DOESN'T approve of what Toei's done with the franchise, and has pretty much distanced himself from the company and is kind of miffed at his brother about what's gone on.

P.P.S. What is this derogatory "Karate Bugman" description that people think is so funny and keep using? Stop trying to make Karate Bugman happen!

The main problem is probably how TOEI treats fans by money milking them into buying unnecessary toys and DX, what you talk about is probably about making rider series and movies to entertain the viewers. Now, we really see large gap between money milking and entertaining viewers and it makes some good fans of this series left :sweat:

 

[hmf_master]

Gaim looks like it's heading somewhere dark. Dancing is getting phased out for Rider battles, and Yggdrasil corp looks like they're sinister.

I agree with you on that and I wonder what was the thing that Yggdrasil Corp is trying to searcher for. What ever it is that will be one supreme sinster power.