Henshin Chit-Chat Unlimited

[lapzod]

I tracked down some dodgy translations of Kuuga, so I'm going back there to start. I'm going travelling in two weeks, so I'm grabbing as much as I can so I'll have something to watch

 

[Igadevil]

Actually, I read a translated interview with Kobayashi or someone related to the production on Ryuki that it was meant to end earlier than they had expected, and that Episode Final (which was maybe why it was called that) was meant to be the original ending to the series. Luckily, somehow they finished.

Don't quote me on this though.

The "movie is the ending" thing I do believe, as I recall that Toei hyped it as such, then of course backpedaled when it became obvious that wouldn't be the case (showing the end midway through doesn't make much sense to begin with, though I can see how it could be done with the right conviction.) I think someone on the staff made the joke that the series was the "Kobayashi ending" while the movie was the "Inoue ending".

But I've never come across anything definitive about the series actually being meant to end early, and a lot of the rumors back in 2002 were that it was doing poorly and was facing outright cancellation (I seem to recall "ending at 39" being tossed out a lot.)

 

[Oblivion]

Episode Final does seem a bit like Inoune's stuff. Ryuga's existence felt so damn random to me. "I'm a mirror-man, I'm you, I'm Kamen Rider Ryuga. I want to kill ya all."

 

[ryatwo]

The "movie is the ending" thing I do believe, as I recall that Toei hyped it as such, then of course backpedaled when it became obvious that wouldn't be the case (showing the end midway through doesn't make much sense to begin with, though I can see how it could be done with the right conviction.) I think someone on the staff made the joke that the series was the "Kobayashi ending" while the movie was the "Inoue ending".

But I've never come across anything definitive about the series actually being meant to end early, and a lot of the rumors back in 2002 were that it was doing poorly and was facing outright cancellation (I seem to recall "ending at 39" being tossed out a lot.)

"Showing the end midway through"? I don't get this. And yeah, the "interview" with Kobayashi talked more about rumors of cancellation of the series, rather than a definite "YES WE'RE GOING TO CANCEL!".

Episode Final does seem a bit like Inoune's stuff. Ryuga's existence felt so damn random to me. "I'm a mirror-man, I'm you, I'm Kamen Rider Ryuga. I want to kill ya all."

I dunno Ryuga was kinda worked for me. Now granted its been a while since I finished Ryuki (about 4 years?) and the backstory of Shinji meeting up with Yui and creating the mirror world cause he didn't keep his promise-thing worked. The series never alluded anything to this so I guess it was pretty sudden.

You have to admit though, he was pretty badass :thumbs:.

 

[Oblivion]

^true. I love Ryuga's design for some reason. XD

 

[ryatwo]

^true. I love Ryuga's design for some reason. XD

Did you know that Ryuga is actually Shinji's dead brother? Probably just in the SIC Hero Saga and not cannon though.

Here's a snippet from a guy that translated it:

Shinji had a twin (elder) brother named Shinichi. The two looked exactly the same but had different personalities; Shinji was the same as he is now, Shinichi was more the rough kind. Nevertheless, they got along very well and were really close.

One day some punk attacked Shinji with a knife and Shinichi died protecting him. It turned out, though, that the punk was some guy who'd fought Shinichi before and was after him in the first place, and just got them mixed up.

Everyone says Shinichi had it coming and Shinji grew really depressed and developed a split personality, the other personality being that of his dead brother.

His parents bring him to a psychiatrist and **** and they fix him up by changing the "ji" in his name (it's originally 二 or "two", with Shinichi's "ichi" being "one", indicating how they're the first and second children of the family) so that it's no longer "two", thus supposedly breaking the bond between the brothers.

 

[Oblivion]

SIC Hero Saga aren't really a dependable source I think and besides, even if you go with the Hero Saga story, won't it sound better if Shinichi is a mirror monster made by Shinji instead of "I'm a mirror man. AHA"

 

[ryatwo]

SIC Hero Saga aren't really a dependable source I think and besides, even if you go with the Hero Saga story, won't it sound better if Shinichi is a mirror monster made by Shinji instead of "I'm a mirror man. AHA"

Well not dependable really, just not canon to the series itself.

 

[Igadevil]

"Showing the end midway through"? I don't get this.

As I recall, the movie was initially promoted as being the ending, despite coming out during the time the show was about half over (it came out the day before #29 aired, I believe.) The idea was you'd get to see the end of the story early, though we know how that turned out.

I think that "showing the ending early" idea works only if the writer is more interested in how characters arrive at point B from point A, rather than point B itself. But it's very hard to pull off successfully. On TV Kiva took an honest stab at it with the 80's stuff- we sort of know how things will end up because we've already seen the future, the world isn't going to end or anything, but the real focus is on the people and what happens to them.

 

[K-onsucksass]

Hello. I was wondering where the proper place on this forum to introduce myself might be?