Has the Anime bubble burst?

[Sage Shinigami]

I agree. When I suggested one kid (to be exact, 6th grader, girl, who is addicted at that time in Mai-HiME), to watch older titles anime titles, she said, "Who cares about those? I prefer the new ones." Kids these days don't appreciate the past.

First off..let's not drag the old versus new stuff in here. By the very nature of a board which focuses on Toku, its way too prevalent here to begin with.

Second off...there aren't that many older series that can compare with Mai-HiMe anyway. :laugh: Its made of win. And I say that, not as someone who prefers new series (I grew up on Robotech) but as someone who thinks Mai-HiMe is one of the best series of all time.

Third off--a sixth grader? So they were like, 12. You've got to give them time to grow to love older series.

Fourth...not everyone's out to be an anime encyclopedia. We all have individual cut-off dates for how far back we're willing to go on things. I grew up in the 90's/early 00's watching what you guys call "older" series--but anime didn't start in 1990. Its been around since...what, the early 60's? And some people love Gigantor, Gatchaman, and all that kind of stuff...but its not for me. I really can't go along with the artstyle of stuff from the 60's, and the plots from 70's are too shallow to me, so if its not from the early eighties on, I avoid it. Same with Toku. After the 70's? GTFO. I don't care what some other encyclopedias think, I don't wanna watch Prince of Space.

Other people can't watch American television before a certain date. Black&White? They'll fall asleep. Myself I go all the way back to The Phil Silvers Show (how many of you know what that is?).

I could continue with examples, but you get my meaning now, right?

 

[Chronotia Archzenom]

Some of the newer titles tend to recycle some old concepts and giving it a new feel. An example is Coyote Ragtime Show, well it is made in 2006 but its concept is One Piece meets Coyboy Bebop except that the leads have a cook and an old man who sounds like Emperor Charles of Code Geass in the Filipino dub. :laugh:

And speaking of Code Geass, it's like having a Death Note meets Gundam feel. :laugh:

 

[DigDoug]

Well that's good, 'cause I was getting confused. See, the thing is--Super Robots don't work the way robots do in Code Geass or Gundam 00. And while we're at it, a politcal plot IS a trope of Real Robots. I'm beginning to wonder why people use these terms and don't really know what they mean.

I gotta find that clip from Seed Destiny where Kira somehow manages to take out 25 other mechs with one furious swipe. Would you consider that kinda thing to be possible by real robot standards at all? Sounds more like the kinda thing you'd see in Getter Robo.

 

[Lynxara]

Well, we can't say that the Anime bubble has burst, after all, there was Lyrical Magical Girl Nanoha (Heard it was good)

Nanoha is essentially cashing in on the popularity of Pretty Cure by offering a magical girl show for older, more otaku-like fans. Nanoha is actually a spin-off of a hentai datesim called Triangle Heart that also was animated once as an OVA. Nanoha was clearly meant to cater to fans into loli fanservice early on, before shifting its focus more to fighting and action and storytelling in later seasons.

So while Nanoha is pretty good anime by 00s standards, it's not anything I'd take as a sign of a healthy industry. If anything I'd say it shows how starved for good stories and characters modern fans are.

I gotta find that clip from Seed Destiny where Kira somehow manages to take out 25 other mechs with one furious swipe. Would you consider that kinda thing to be possible by real robot standards at all? Sounds more like the kinda thing you'd see in Getter Robo.

The "Real Robots" in the 1982 (or so) "Real Robot" series Aura Battler Dunbine could survive direct hits from nuclear warheads. They are actually depicted doing this in-series, too. Power levels have nothing to do with a show's "realness" and never really have, Aura Battlers would still mongle pretty much anything Gundam has come up with.

If you go watch 70's Getter Robo, Getter never could pull off a stunt like this. Original Getter fought enemies one at a time and frequently lost limbs, got kicked around, and generally just wasn't all that powerful. The Getters in the new animations are so ludicrously powerful as a reaction to escalating power levels in the Real shows of the 90's, to be honest.

 

[Sage Shinigami]

Nanoha is essentially cashing in on the popularity of Pretty Cure by offering a magical girl show for older, more otaku-like fans. Nanoha is actually a spin-off of a hentai datesim called Triangle Heart that also was animated once as an OVA. Nanoha was clearly meant to cater to fans into loli fanservice early on, before shifting its focus more to fighting and action and storytelling in later seasons.

So while Nanoha is pretty good anime by 00s standards, it's not anything I'd take as a sign of a healthy industry. If anything I'd say it shows how starved for good stories and characters modern fans are.

Mm, disagree. I grew up watching a lot of 90's anime and I hesitate to put that many series up against Nanoha. Trigun, Cowboy Bebop, Rurouni Kenshin--those are (at least from a critical standpoint) better series. But the rest...? Ehhh.

Or maybe I just like the idea of a universe almost entirely absent of morons who never change their minds on anything 'cause that would change the status quo, and needless angst and symbolism for little reason other than to appear "grown up".

The "Real Robots" in the 1982 (or so) "Real Robot" series Aura Battler Dunbine could survive direct hits from nuclear warheads. They are actually depicted doing this in-series, too. Power levels have nothing to do with a show's "realness" and never really have, Aura Battlers would still mongle pretty much anything Gundam has come up with.

Thank you.

For those wondering what a Super Robot series looks like...Godannar, Sousei no Aquarion, and Gravion.

 

[Chronotia Archzenom]

For those wondering what a Super Robot series looks like...Godannar, Sousei no Aquarion, and Gravion.

I am to add: Super Robot Wars Original Generations: Divine Wars and OVA.
BTW, I am looking forward to watch the English dubbed versions of those in your list soon.