Gaim and the screw-ups

I've been thinking but, there's kind of a point to the criticism of the whole power-up giving spree for Kouta. Honestly, I think the logical ending for Kouta is a sad one, because in the end, he sold his soul to God-knows-what in exchange for the power to do good.

Maybe an ending like Eiji would suffice (since it's basically the same thing), but in fairness, Kouta has lost more along the way than Eiji did.
 
maybe the overcome i see fit for kouta is like kenzaki, since that ending is much more inline with urobuchi's mind (and i see eiji still lived happily without any significant losing in his life)
 
Ugh, please no. The last thing I want is for another rider to become a Jesus metaphor. That's such a lazy way to make everything your main character has done seem unquestionably correct. Urobuchi is better than that, plus he already did it with Madoka Magica so it would be doubly unimpressive if he pulled it here.
 
captain shark are both a stupid gaim hater.
At no point did I say I hated Gaim. Here is where I rank the major entries I have finished:

Skyrider > OOO > Black RX > Wizard > Decade > Stronger > Fourze > Black > Amazon > Kiva > Agito > J > ZO > ZX > V3 > Kuuga > 555 > Hibiki > Den-O > W > Shin > Ryuki > Blade > G > SD > The First > Kabuto > The Next

Currently I would rank Gaim between 555 and Hibiki, if it gets any better I might raise it between 555 and Kuuga, at this point it all comes down to how it ends. However by the first quarter of a series I already have an idea of where to rank it with OOO, Wizard, Kiva, Den-O, and Blade being the only exceptions.
 
At no point did I say I hated Gaim. Here is where I rank the major entries I have finished:

Skyrider > OOO > Black RX > Wizard > Decade > Stronger > Fourze > Black > Amazon > Kiva > Agito > J > ZO > ZX > V3 > Kuuga > 555 > Hibiki > Den-O > W > Shin > Ryuki > Blade > G > SD > The First > Kabuto > The Next

Currently I would rank Gaim between 555 and Hibiki, if it gets any better I might raise it between 555 and Kuuga, at this point it all comes down to how it ends. However by the first quarter of a series I already have an idea of where to rank it with OOO, Wizard, Kiva, Den-O, and Blade being the only exceptions.

You're not really helping your case by rating Decade of all things above Gaim, but to each his own I suppose.
 
You're not really helping your case by rating Decade of all things above Gaim, but to each his own I suppose.

I thought Captain Shark was rating the series based on the action of the series which was why he keeps getting so much flack for his opinion.
 
Ugh, please no. The last thing I want is for another rider to become a Jesus metaphor.

What I'm talking about is not really a Jesus metaphor, though. As it is, if everything turns out right for Kouta, then it means there would've been no direct consequences for selling his soul. I think it sends a bad message if it's done that way.
 
Even when compared with other shows in the sum of its parts, Gaim is still weaker than almost any Heisei show there is.

Please, tell me how Gaim is more poorly-written than Decade.

Or the first half of Blade, especially anything having to do with Garren. Or actually, anything in Blade at all relating to Leangle.

Or Kiva's time-travel self-abortion plot.

I mean, I think Gaim is badly overrated in some respects. But it's absolutely absurd to say it's the worst-written Heisei Rider when the Decade half of Movie Wars 2010 and that Ryuki arc about Scissors dropping a box on the lead character exist. A lot of Heisei Rider is just really stupid on a writing level. Fortunately, most Rider shows don't live or die on writing.

Partially doesn't help that pretty much everything Gaim has done has been execute way better in other Heisei shows.

Urobuchi is a very literate writer, and he's consciously referenced other Rider shows from the beginning of his run on Gaim. He also basically told everybody he was going to do this, and does it constantly in his anime work, too. The big three shows he's referencing are clearly Kuuga, Black, and Ryuki.

What's interesting about what he's doing is that when does return to elements of other Rider shows, the way he uses them has a pointedly different meaning. The Overlords speak an alien language to emphasize their lost humanity, rather than the Grongi doing so in order to show how utterly alien they've become. In Ryuki, people fighting each other is bad because it's sad. In Gaim, it's used to illustrate society's institutional methods of oppression. In Black, the hero's anger and sadness are virtues that help him in battle. In Gaim, anger and sadness are the emotions that might make Kouta into a second Roshuo.

They couldn't even get something as simple as the alien language aspect from Kuuga right.

How did Gaim get it wrong? The cipher Gaim uses is actually much more sophisticated and works better as a conlang than Kuuga's simple substitution cipher.

I've been thinking but, there's kind of a point to the criticism of the whole power-up giving spree for Kouta.

Kouta is basically going along a version of Godai's power-up track from Kuuga, where each power-up represented a fundamental change in Godai's character arc. But where Godai's changes were generally positive steps forward, climaxing in his ability to triumph over Ultimate, Kouta's power-ups actually seem to indicate Kouta's character progressing in a negative, unhealthy direction. Judging from recent show events, this is probably so Urobuchi can riff on the ending of Blade, which is by far the most memorable part of that show.
 
Kouta is basically going along a version of Godai's power-up track from Kuuga, where each power-up represented a fundamental change in Godai's character arc. But where Godai's changes were generally positive steps forward, climaxing in his ability to triumph over Ultimate, Kouta's power-ups actually seem to indicate Kouta's character progressing in a negative, unhealthy direction. Judging from recent show events, this is probably so Urobuchi can riff on the ending of Blade, which is by far the most memorable part of that show.

Never seen Kuuga, so I'm gonna have to take your word for that.

I don't think Kouta's power-ups come during times when he was in a negative direction though. Rather, I think it comes in times where he had a choice of what to do and couldn't find the motivation to push himself to make that choice, thus needing someone else to push him.

If I look at it that way, it seems he's rather passive compared to previous Riders.
 

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