Fast Food Strike

I see a lot of jackasses in this thread who have no clue the conditions people actually are required to work under, spouting their mouths off.

Seattle is one of the cities that is having protests. Why? Because many fast-food workers are being forced to work under illegal conditions, for a minimum wage that, even at 40-50 hours a week, is far below a living wage. There have been many reports out lately, that lay out the average McDonalds' employees budget. For full-time employees (40 hrs/wk), they need to spend an average of NEGATIVE $25 a day to be able to even pay their bills, let alone anything else. And that's not counting if there's children involved, and the associated costs of that.

Additionally, people are being forced to work long hours outside of their scheduled shifts, often off the clock, in addition to having the unpaid wages of their illegally scheduled breaks (I myself went through this, sadly, it was my word against the owner's, so I wasn't able to sue). They're not "forced"? Legally, perhaps not but with my state's unemployment rate of 8% (and that's just the percentage that are collecting unemployment. I myself was unemployed for most of 3 years and unable to collect), passing up on a job is the difference between being on the streets or not, if you're lucky.

Reporting people? Most states are at-will employment. Unless you can prove explicitly that you were fired for blowing the whistle, you're out of a job, because you can be fired at any time for any reason. And most businesses will ignore the law that says you can only confirm or deny that someone worked there and not release how or why they were let go, or say anything about how they worked.

Get a degree? Lol. I have a degree. I went to college to get two pretty little letters after my name on official documents, that I'm still paying off, 10 years later, and I work at a fast-casual restaurant, making less than $1 over minimum wage*. Heck I was working as a shift-lead at a Subway, and only making minimum wage because it's illegal in WA for workers to get paid less.

People don't want a "high minimum wage." They want minimum wage to be a living wage. In NY's case, the math has been done, and earning less than $15/hr for 40hrs/week is not enough to survive on.

The gall of you people to basically be saying that people deserve to starve or not have a place to live just because you don't consider the likely only job they can get "worthy."



*The reason I don't have a job in the industry I went to college for? No experience. College doesn't count as experience, and the last job opening(s) in my area required at least 2 years of experience before they'd even look at your portfolio. Move to another area? With what money, I can't even pay off my student loan.
 
And if people can actually afford to buy things without being bled dry, they're still getting their capital. The only reason we put up with it is because we've been conditioned to think it's ok due to the slowly rising inflation over the last half century or so.

Take a business model:
You have a decent amount of money, so you set up a corporation & hire engineers to design highly efficient wind turbines that produce more electricity for less work. Then, you buy a plot of land in a low income are, hire a local factory to produce the turbines & work out fair costs with the factory & their suppliers. You then hire electricians and engineers to set up the turbines and go door to door selling a changeover from their current electric company for a low rate & promise a constant low rate that doesn't change, no matter the power usage. Pretty soon, you've killed local electric companies, but can now afford to build more turbines, thus creating more factory work, thus being able to hire more electricans & engineers to build & manage them. Then, take your money & buy some servers. Offer the same exchange rate as you did the electric for internet services & also allow people to apply for limited free wifi for the purposes of schooling or finding a job. Now, you've killed local ISPs, but you can hire people to manage the systems & open local call centers for customer support. Then, you move on & build more efficient cell towers. Eventually, you do the same for local phone companies as your business empire ever expands. From there, you can do more. Expand into local agriculture. Help local farmers expand their crop and get it sold in local markets for less money. You can also set up donations for the homeless/ poor and lower the need for that. Thus, you've brought down costs there & created more farming & grocery jobs. Move to creating underground power cables with easy access hatches & you've managed to create more jobs & lower the costs of maintainence that you need. Move your engineers to work on creating new, longer lasting, more durable road systems & better drainage with easy access. Now, you've lowered government spending on road work & created a massive amount of local temporary jobs that will give whomever signs up a goodly amount of experience.

While I admit, this model doesn't take a lot of the technical into account, my point is that if people bothered to charge less & work towards ways to get other resources' prices down & save the local government money, you can built a freaking business empire, lower the costs of living & create jobs all in one fell swoop.
 
*facepalm*

Do I really have to go through everything again? I don't think I'm entitled to anything, I was using an example to show how we're being scammed by so called Capitalists that are playing by Utilitarianist rules.

All in all, our economy's survival is placed on give & take. If it's all take & no give, then the economy fails. People are going on about how if minimum wage is raised, it'll just cause inflation & we'll be right back where we started- which is true. Yet I'm still ultimately confused as to why I'm being called an asshole for saying that's a proble- and an unnecessary one based entirely on lies.
 
*facepalm*

Do I really have to go through everything again? I don't think I'm entitled to anything, I was using an example to show how we're being scammed by so called Capitalists that are playing by Utilitarianist rules.

All in all, our economy's survival is placed on give & take. If it's all take & no give, then the economy fails. People are going on about how if minimum wage is raised, it'll just cause inflation & we'll be right back where we started- which is true. Yet I'm still ultimately confused as to why I'm being called an asshole for saying that's a proble- and an unnecessary one based entirely on lies.

I didn't call you an asshole, because clearly, you didn't call anyone of us "jackasses". With that quote afterwards, I'm quoting Dessa, not you. :)
 
No one is being FORCED to work.

Right, Just like every executive in corporate headquarters of every fast food restaurant are not FORCED to give CEO's millions of dollars of salary even though they are financially stable but yet they give them and themselves more money with there rise and bonuses :laugh:.

''Trickle down economics my ass'' :laugh:
 
Right, Just like every executive in corporate headquarters of every fast food restaurant are not FORCED to give CEO's millions of dollars of salary even though they are financially stable but yet they give them and themselves more money with there rise and bonuses :laugh:.

''Trickle down economics my ass'' :laugh:

So what? If you want to make that kind of money do something about it. People bitching about the rich is said and pathetic imo. You are saying a person that has money is some how shitty just because they have money.
 
Take a step in Detroit and take a step into Chicago or New York City. Trickle-down economics is why Chicago and NYC are successful while Detroit has higher tax rates , bankrupt and most corporations left the city. Thus its ruin. Then again , the income tax and property tax in general I feel should be abolished to help lower income households and the middle class.

Businesses give cities revenue, which then comes through all the producers in society. When you rid of that business via a higher min. wage, they all leave. People left Detroit and Flint in droves and look how horrible both are today. Because of destructive policies that expect people who have no money to be able to have it trickle up? Yeah, that makes zero economic sense at all. :thumbs:

Take a look at Detroit, ok:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTQFtNLvcl8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kem2ceHCtGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Su5mjQSaE

This is what I've seen since I could remember as a child. Tons of bums, needy, and homeless? Why do you want people to be serfs in protection of the State?

Detroit failed wasn't because of high taxes, if you go to other city's like my city NYC there are higher since your paying a lot for public services like paying to maintaining the biggest rapid transit system in north America and other public services among other things yet they still financially stable....soft of lol. but anyway reason why Detroit failed was because of decades of government corruptions and don't give me that ''it all liberal and conservative fault'' it everyone's fault, no to mention the white flight and the fact the Detroit relied on one industry, the auto industry is what led to Detroit downfall. even if Detroit had low taxes the stigma of city is still there and no business would have come there.

NYC was in the same situation as Detroit in the late 70's but thanks to the state bailout they were able to pay within their means and now its a lot better financially and people from all around the world want to come here. .

So what? If you want to make that kind of money do something about it. People bitching about the rich is said and pathetic imo. You are saying a person that has money is some how shitty just because they have money.


Lets face it realty here. not everyone is going to be successful but at let give the average person a rise so he can pay his bills and so he doesn't have to worry about losing hes apartment or house. they don't want much they just want to pay for the high cost of living these days specially in this economy, which won't help much sadly since how the laws are such in a tangled mess.
 
Lets face it realty here. not everyone is going to be successful but at let give the average person a rise so he can pay his bills and so he doesn't have to worry about losing hes apartment or house. they don't want much they just want to pay for the high cost of living these days specially in this economy, which won't help much sadly since how the laws are such in a tangled mess.


Define average.


And yeah lets just give people more money because they can't be bothered to try and better themselves in some way.
 
Define average.


And yeah lets just give people more money because they can't be bothered to try and better themselves in some way.

Define bettering yourself?.

Some people like to live a simple life, have a Job the pays good, not excellent but at lest they can pay the bills.

Others who like to better themselves, which I have no problem with that, they can follow there dream if the wish but why do try to belittle people for having a poor Job and there fight for what right for getting better pay? do you think it's easy to find other job in this day in age with or without a collage degree? do you think some people that work at these fast food chains want to work there?,no but they have to support there family's, not every individual that works there are high school drop outs.

KingRanger Response, Try harder you lazy good for nothing. :laugh:
 
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