Eye Opener - The Goseigers are Weak

The Goseigers are weak because they have tremendous miracle power to back it up. If they were strong and had that miracle power then they would be overpowered.

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The Gokaigers beat the foot soldiers every week. They beat the giant monster every week. They learn some revelation to help them become strong psychologically and sometimes physically. Every Sentai season in the past 34 seasons has done the same thing every episode (well except the first 2 b/c they didn't have mechas). But still, Sentai is a fucking children show. I don't understand how its possible to tell which team is stronger than the other, because unless each team fights each other, it's all just debates

MMPR said:

I don't understand how its possible to tell which team is stronger than the other, because unless each team fights each other, it's all just debates

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Especially since when the teams do fight each other, the outcome is usually to prove that they are equally strong, or strong in different ways.

MMPR said:

Want to know something?

The Gokaigers beat the foot soldiers every week. They beat the giant monster every week. They learn some revelation to help them become strong psychologically and sometimes physically. Every Sentai season in the past 34 seasons has done the same thing every episode (well except the first 2 b/c they didn't have mechas). But still, Sentai is a fucking children show. I don't understand how its possible to tell which team is stronger than the other, because unless each team fights each other, it's all just debates

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No one is trying to debate this MM. :sweat:

Your serve a point though.

Though, what does it being a children's show have to do with anything.

Plus regarding the latest team-up. As i said in it's thread I loved it, but now after thinking about it there is one part I found to be more obviously BS'd then usual.

The combining powers thing..in the beggining it made sense with how they realized they had similar powers, but couldn't quite get them to click together. That's fine...but when the Goseigers make cards that give the Shinkengers Super modes, I say that's cool but at the same time wwttff?

How? What? Then I said well ok, this is still hot though. Moving on to the mecha battle..the Shinkengers going in the Gosei Mech and the Goseigers having a card for a combined finisher? lol Where are they gettng these cards.

The movie was so good though, I felt they didn't need a mech battle actually. BS power combining or not.

btw vs movies weren't always that long right? This one felt way longer then usual.

Kivat said:

but when the Goseigers make cards that give the Shinkengers Super modes, I say that's cool but at the same time wwttff?

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I'm guessing it's for the Dice-O game. I mean we did have Ganbaride cards that shouldn't be existing at all LOL.

I think the older ones were a bit closer to 50 minutes or so, but the theatrical releases are all a solid hour. It really does feel like a 90-minute movie, though. Gaia Memory of Fate is the same way for me.

On the Super Shinkenger card question... that was just solid Rule of Cool. :anime:

musashi03 said:

I'm guessing it's for the Dice-O game. I mean we did have Ganbaride cards that shouldn't be existing at all LOL.

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lol Damn. Just when you think BoJ had a tiny roll in the movie.

I've always found the tendency of fans to accuse only unpopular characters of being weak and therefore worthless kind of amusing. It's a really illogical argument if you think about it for more than, like, ten seconds.

It is explicitly stated that Cure Blossom at the beginning of Heartcatch is the weakest Cure ever, but I have never seen anyone say they disliked Heartcatch because Tsubomi was WEAK and WORTHLESS.

Ultraman Moebius is diagetically the crappiest Ultraman ever when he first appears in his own show. By the end of his first two episodes he's screwed up worse than Goseiger ever did.

People don't say these shows suck because of that, though. In both shows it's pretty clear that the protagonists are in-training and you're supposed to be cheering for them to get better.

So I don't think Goseiger failed at making its characters sufficiently strong or badass or whatever. I think instead it failed at making the audience want to root for them to get stronger and better. I mean I liked Goseiger and I can't think of when I had that reaction to the show.

I think it's the miracle thing. If you know the characters diagetically will always get power-ups when they need them (and that is very much the case), then their eventual victory feels like a foregone conclusion.

Yea...I've really got to word my threads better.. *note to self..think about the hjuers then think of yourself when it comes to thread titles*

Lynxara said:

I think it's the miracle thing. If you know the characters diagetically will always get power-ups when they need them (and that is very much the case), then their eventual victory feels like a foregone conclusion.

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Unfortunately, this seems to be the case in a lot of modern Toei shows, whether they explicitly call them "miracles" or not. In other shows it's usually just framed as "wow, good thing we just happened to get this power-up earlier in the episode, because it happens to be exactly what we need, for no precisely identifiable reason!"