Inui Takumi
The Ends JustiΦ's the Means
uve gotta be kidding me. :redface2:
Cybertron-VR Troopers pilot with JDF
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uve gotta be kidding me. :redface2:
Forever Knight
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Try me.
Inui Takumi
The Ends JustiΦ's the Means
i can understand how it may be better than Mystic Knights, Beetleborgs, or Masked Rider. but how is it better than MMPR? it ripped off most of its material from it. i cant really say much about VR Troopers cuz i watch probably half an episode (wasnt on at a time that i was able to see more then the last fights). but, the whole crystal idea was kinda lame. and it all seemed forced. even though it was just a pitch reel.
Forever Knight
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JDF + Metalder > ALL American Toku.
After watching this I laugh at VR Troopers even more.
Yeah, that damn crystal idea was super lame, i especially thought it was lame in ZEO. :eyebrow:
After watching this I laugh at VR Troopers even more.
Yeah, that damn crystal idea was super lame, i especially thought it was lame in ZEO. :eyebrow:
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Shougo B'Stard
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Don't watch Changerion, then! :laugh:
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Skyknight
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This is HJU, which means that you're going to find not just fans of American Tokastu, but people who are far too loyal to Japanese Tokastu to see any objective merit in how other countries treat it, good or bad, there regarded as "laughable" or "satanic", and they dont give them any kind of chance or can appreciate their differing treatments.
There best ignored when they act like this, it leads to too many flame wars. The best fans are ones who can enjoy both versions. Cybertron sure as hell aint better than MMPR
VR Troopers was "dark" PR before the series got darker, I'm surprised anyone laughs at it. But then, people forget when the show was made and the sensibility of American markets at the time, so it all comes down to petty ignorance. Give Troopers a shot, so long as you know its very 90s.
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You know, everyone says VRT was "the dark" PR, but really... VRT was sometimes more childish than the real PR. Percy (ugh), Woody (UGH), Jeb (uggggggggh)... VRT was rife with slapstick on a level even season one MMPR didn't boast in nearly every episode. Almost because that was the only way they could secure a syndication package for it.
The maturity of the source footage necessitated a somber tone to the storylines, but believe me -- the show reeked a lot in that first season. I'd argue season two VRT is really where the show reaches its full potential. They'd finally perfected the editing, the writing was much tighter and more playful, and Shaider just worked so much better for the "dimensional shifting" aspect than Metalder.
My main issue with VRT season one is my same issue with Masked Rider and Ninja Storm. EVERYBODY is the comic relief. Say what you will about Beetleborgs, by the time of Metallix they really understood the kids were only interesting as the straight men to the House Monsters. MMPR understood exactly how wacky our leads needed to be for us to still care about them as characters. Few successive American Tokusatsu programs ever understood that balance.
I happen to think Cybertron had more potential than VRT, just because it wasn't slaved to the inherent weaknesses Troopers had at the onset by concurrently hacking two unrelated programs and thus undermining the "team" element in a team series. Plus, while Ryan was often unemotive and a little distant, Adam seems like a straight up ass. I approve.
The maturity of the source footage necessitated a somber tone to the storylines, but believe me -- the show reeked a lot in that first season. I'd argue season two VRT is really where the show reaches its full potential. They'd finally perfected the editing, the writing was much tighter and more playful, and Shaider just worked so much better for the "dimensional shifting" aspect than Metalder.
My main issue with VRT season one is my same issue with Masked Rider and Ninja Storm. EVERYBODY is the comic relief. Say what you will about Beetleborgs, by the time of Metallix they really understood the kids were only interesting as the straight men to the House Monsters. MMPR understood exactly how wacky our leads needed to be for us to still care about them as characters. Few successive American Tokusatsu programs ever understood that balance.
I happen to think Cybertron had more potential than VRT, just because it wasn't slaved to the inherent weaknesses Troopers had at the onset by concurrently hacking two unrelated programs and thus undermining the "team" element in a team series. Plus, while Ryan was often unemotive and a little distant, Adam seems like a straight up ass. I approve.
Skyknight
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Speaking of season two...any idea why its so damn evasive to air in the UK? VR Troopers first season was reran on the UK Jetix channels more than season two, in fact they only aired "Quest for Power" as an edited "movie" and didnt bother with the rest. Most second season episodes aired when they premiered, but never after.
Oh yeah, and Thao actually knowing about Adam's secrets was the pay-off I never got from his "in-the-closet Queen Marlena syndrome" during Troopers.
Oh yeah, and Thao actually knowing about Adam's secrets was the pay-off I never got from his "in-the-closet Queen Marlena syndrome" during Troopers.
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HaiTien78
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Well when I talked to Tony Oliver on Saturday, last he heard of Dragon Knight is that the cast walked out on Steve. =/ Cybertron does look cool though :thumbs: Needs a more original name though >___>
Barashin
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pretty nice trailer, and cool theme for cybertron. I rewatched some VR troopers episodes and man, why can't SPD be as good as that? Or OO? VR Troopers, well forever remain a classic! Well, kinda off topic but here's to KamenRiderDragonKnight for a good rebirth of the toku genre from here in the states :buttrock:
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