SaikoDragon
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Sage Shinigami said:
It's all in the eye of the beholder. To me, that is in no way "cute". More like slutty make-up whore. supposed to be hot well my tastes are different.
Batwoman hero returns as Lesbian
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It's all in the eye of the beholder. To me, that is in no way "cute". More like slutty make-up whore. supposed to be hot well my tastes are different.
Ragna "D" BloodEdge
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Remember this is only one artist's rendition. Not everyone who ends up drawing her's gonna make her look 100% the same.
Sage Shinigami
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Fayt Linegod said:
I said that, but....Garren's getting something that ain't there, it seems. Slutty make-up whore? Wha??? Most/all superheroines look like this, but if you agree with that, I guess there's nothing else to say.
Jacky392000
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Read this in the newspaper the other day. I was so damn shocked. :redface2:
DekaThunder Ranger
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There`s so many inappropriate jokes you can make about this...
laudre
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On the sexual identity thing -- many queer people go through times when they identify as bi before declaring themselves completely gay. (This is why bisexuals often run into a lot of prejudice in the queer community -- they tend to be derided as fence-sitters and such.) Or they have heterosexual encounters before ceasing to have any sexual contact with the opposite sex altogether. Sexual identity is a spectrum, not a coin. So she may have had boyfriends or male lovers in the past, but if she identifies as a lesbian now, then she's no interest in men, now.
As for what "lipstick" lesbian means -- there's a Wikipedia entry on it, but, in a nutshell, it's a term for women who, like this version of Kathy Kane, are gay but who put forth a feminine image -- long hair, skirts or dresses, makeup, things like that. It's sometimes used to differentiate from "femmes"; in that case, lipstick lesbians are ones who are into other feminine women, but femmes are into more masculine-type women. That's not universal, however; my wife identifies as "lipstick", but she likes boyish/mannish women (she has a huge crush on k.d. lang). (And, yes, to clarify, I'm a guy; she's bisexual.)
As for the "cute" thing -- I don't see why she has to be cute. If she's an adult woman and a socialite, I'd expect her to be sophisticated first and foremost, and the way Alex Ross drew her posture and body language suggests just that. She's not another Cassandra Cain, after all. Yes, she's voluptuous, but there's muscle there, too. She really looks credible, to me, as someone who is athletic enough to be a crimefighter but still has curves to her.
And, I've already said something about tokenism, but here: if her being gay keeps coming front and center in a licentious or gratuitous way, then I'll be wholly instead of only partially disgusted with DC. I mean, it's true that a lot of queer people tend to have their sexuality be a much larger part of their identity than het people -- it's sort of part and parcel of being in a minority, especially one that isn't immediately obvious -- but that doesn't mean we have to have her make out with a woman every issue. (And I know there's going to be some people buying comics she's in just for that.) But if they're going through the trouble to establish this, I expect things to be done with it -- it may be too much to hope for to ask for a credible and honest portrayal of gay culture and community, or at least gay identity, but something at least approaching it would be welcome.
I mean, it's not like we're going to get a gay man with his own comic title out of DC or Marvel anytime soon. Not with the primary demographic that buys comics, anyway.
As for what "lipstick" lesbian means -- there's a Wikipedia entry on it, but, in a nutshell, it's a term for women who, like this version of Kathy Kane, are gay but who put forth a feminine image -- long hair, skirts or dresses, makeup, things like that. It's sometimes used to differentiate from "femmes"; in that case, lipstick lesbians are ones who are into other feminine women, but femmes are into more masculine-type women. That's not universal, however; my wife identifies as "lipstick", but she likes boyish/mannish women (she has a huge crush on k.d. lang). (And, yes, to clarify, I'm a guy; she's bisexual.)
As for the "cute" thing -- I don't see why she has to be cute. If she's an adult woman and a socialite, I'd expect her to be sophisticated first and foremost, and the way Alex Ross drew her posture and body language suggests just that. She's not another Cassandra Cain, after all. Yes, she's voluptuous, but there's muscle there, too. She really looks credible, to me, as someone who is athletic enough to be a crimefighter but still has curves to her.
And, I've already said something about tokenism, but here: if her being gay keeps coming front and center in a licentious or gratuitous way, then I'll be wholly instead of only partially disgusted with DC. I mean, it's true that a lot of queer people tend to have their sexuality be a much larger part of their identity than het people -- it's sort of part and parcel of being in a minority, especially one that isn't immediately obvious -- but that doesn't mean we have to have her make out with a woman every issue. (And I know there's going to be some people buying comics she's in just for that.) But if they're going through the trouble to establish this, I expect things to be done with it -- it may be too much to hope for to ask for a credible and honest portrayal of gay culture and community, or at least gay identity, but something at least approaching it would be welcome.
I mean, it's not like we're going to get a gay man with his own comic title out of DC or Marvel anytime soon. Not with the primary demographic that buys comics, anyway.
ForeverRed
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Let's take a look at previous Batwoman....
(Got those from SSH!)
http://superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8990408&postcount=39
At first, I had no idea that Batwoman has exist in early 50s or 60s, I think, until I found out about Batwoman that was in the movie "Batman: The Mystery Of Batwoman". (It was awesome movie).
(Got those from SSH!)
http://superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8990408&postcount=39
At first, I had no idea that Batwoman has exist in early 50s or 60s, I think, until I found out about Batwoman that was in the movie "Batman: The Mystery Of Batwoman". (It was awesome movie).
Keith Justice
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laudre said:
Again... well said. But Marvel did have a gay cowboy comic book and DC has Apollo and The Midnighter in The Authority, so as far as gay males go in comics I've seen plenty put up front and center. Gay women... I can remember all of one back in the 90's with Rainmaker in GEN 13.
Nice to see a gay female for once, actually.
Sage Shinigami
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J-Caizer said:Again... well said. But Marvel did have a gay cowboy comic book and DC has Apollo and The Midnighter in The Authority, so as far as gay males go in comics I've seen plenty put up front and center. Gay women... I can remember all of one back in the 90's with Rainmaker in GEN 13.
Nice to see a gay female for once, actually.
You forgot Northstar from Alpha Flight. :thumbs:
Doggy Kruger
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I hate how she has Batman Beyond's costume... totally ruined it.
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