Anniversary team ups, have they lost excitment?

[Forever Knight]

I do think after this Rider vs. Sentai movie they should take a breather on it and focus solely on the current Rider & Sentai team.

 

[chronoxiong]

I think more after the Kamen Rider/Super Sentai will be overkill. I hope they drop it for a few more years and focus on annual team-ups. When it's time for the anniversary again, that is when they should do them again.

 

[Lynxara]

This is exactly how Kamen Rider was before the Heisei Decade :redface2::shakefist, now everyone has them at separate continuities.

Rider's always been hot and cold with how it treats its continuity. The original show and V3 can be very easily viewed as a coherent continuity. In later shows, even when you had Tachibana there, the stories just ignored any part of continuity that didn't suit the show's goals. So Amazon has very few references to the other Riders, while in Skyrider they arguably end up eating the show.

Part of why I think this hot and cold attitude was allowed to develop is that Rider had a lot of very big hits that appeared to perform better by virtue of being clean slates: Black, Kuuga, Heisei's early glory days (sans Agito, which took a more old-fashioned approach). Ultraman's track record with "clean slate" shows is much rockier... there's not as many of them, and only a handful of them are among the franchise's biggest hits.

 

[Forever Knight]

I think more after the Kamen Rider/Super Sentai will be overkill. I hope they drop it for a few more years and focus on annual team-ups. When it's time for the anniversary again, that is when they should do them again.

Exacatly. The novelty will wear off if every movie is some sort of Movie War.

 

[Araki]

except for All Riders' reunions every other celebration Toei is doing with their franchises is still fresh new, so nope, not yet.

 

[Khaiden]

Rider's always been hot and cold with how it treats its continuity. The original show and V3 can be very easily viewed as a coherent continuity. In later shows, even when you had Tachibana there, the stories just ignored any part of continuity that didn't suit the show's goals. So Amazon has very few references to the other Riders, while in Skyrider they arguably end up eating the show.

Part of why I think this hot and cold attitude was allowed to develop is that Rider had a lot of very big hits that appeared to perform better by virtue of being clean slates: Black, Kuuga, Heisei's early glory days (sans Agito, which took a more old-fashioned approach). Ultraman's track record with "clean slate" shows is much rockier... there's not as many of them, and only a handful of them are among the franchise's biggest hits.

It always seemed to me like they had an integrated universe too. In X Tachibana mentions the previous Riders when meeting Keisuke and even Destron too, in Amazon... well I don't remember that much so maybe he didn't. In Stronger, even though they don't mention them until their appearance in the end, when they do appear though, they're recognized as familiar faces right away and there's an explanation as to where they've been all this time. I think that's important because nowadays they don't even bother to do that.
New Kamen Rider's reboot approach didn't last very long, so I don't think we can count that. With Super-1 I think Tani just saying ''That's a Kamen Rider!'' might be enough.

I understand the ''clean slates'' which is why I was mentioning the Showa Era, hell, I think I'm lying here, I'm just referring to everything before BLACK. Now how many of those can you count?
I really think they had an established continuity, another proof of this is Hirayama Toru as the producer, he is known for being behind-the-scenes throughout all of the first 10 Riders tenure. When BLACK came, Ishinomori himself decided to have another producer because he wanted to start anew, no past references at all.

 

[Lynxara]

Yeah, I dunno. The feeling I get from the pre-Black Riders is that after V3, they only really takes place in an integrated universe after the guest stars show up. Prior to that, the story is going to do whatever it wants and treat the main character like the world's only superhero. You may find out later what the other heroes were doing off-camera earlier in the series, but that always came off like hand-waving the issue aside to me.

Prior to X, I think KR really does have a completely tight, integrated continuity where everything makes about as much sense as it's going to in 70s Toei tokusatsu. I think those years of the show are comparable to what Ultraman was doing all along. Once you hit X, I think the hot-and-cold approach starts to set in, where they're basically rebooting for the first half of the show and them remember that continuity exists when the crossovers start.

I would actually directly compare that approach to what seems to be the current Heisei approach, which is that there's only an integrated continuity during crossover movies. Each individual TV show otherwise treat its Riders like the only significant superheroes in existence. Fourze has referenced the idea that other Riders existed once, but in the TV show the characters otherwise never discuss them.

 

[Painted_Outlaw]

In X Tachibana mentions the previous Riders when meeting Keisuke and even Destron too, in Amazon... well I don't remember that much so maybe he didn't.

There was a line in the episode when he introduces Amazon's motorbike, when Amazon freaks out, that goes "He's not like the other ones!" (There's also the lyrics for this song he got during Amazon.)

 

[NeonZ]

Once you hit X, I think the hot-and-cold approach starts to set in, where they're basically rebooting for the first half of the show and them remember that continuity exists when the crossovers start.

I'd move that point to midway through V3, or to Amazon. If anything, X had better integration in a "shared" universe than the later half of V3.

After Hongo and Ichimonji return for two episodes midway through V3, they're basically non entiries, and aren't mentioned even once, not even about the reason they left before doing what they said that had come to do (defeat Baron Tusk/Kiba), not even when Destron makes an all out attack around the world in the finale.

X, however, brings up Tachibana being paranoid due to his previous experiences with Destron, references the Riders several times even when they aren't in an episode, and that's before the full on crossovers. The story isn't directly connected to the other shows initially, but there's a much bigger sense that there are other Riders out there and that the events are following a previous show than in V3's later episodes. After the crossovers, the other Riders also are mentioned even in episodes where they aren't around.

Now, Amazon is the first series that's pretty much standalone all the time. Tachibana is there and mentions knowing other Riders in the beginning once or twice, but they don't ever get named nor shown even in flashbacks. In spite of the returning character, Amazon's connection with the other shows was about as big as Agito's. This goes on into Stronger, where Tachibana is basically a random old man and doesn't even mention knowing previous Riders until the crossovers actually start. Super-1 has a similar approach for Genjiro Tani. He implies having seen Riders before in episode 2, but that's it and they aren't ever directly mentioned in the tv show.

 

[Scissors]

The main difference, as I have always seen it, is that the Showa Riders were global superheroes, while the Heisei Riders are strictly Japanese.
The old villain organizations had operations across the world, and it was very easy to explain the absence of a previous Rider by saying that he was fighting in another country.

The Heisei era Riders have all moved beyond the "world dominating organization" thing.
We have tribes, mythological creatures, aliens etc. who you can't put in the same universe without creating plotholes.

Fourze is kinda TRYING to put the universe together by turning the Riders into urban legends, but it still does not help when you have had big-scale attacks on Tokyo which are never mentioned in the following shows.