Yu-Gi-Oh! pulled from North America, 4Kids sued

[Darkster]

Does anyone else find this a bit funny?

I mean, Yugioh's going to back to being kid friendly with Zexal, and now 4kids can't even dub it.

What? :eyebrow:

The cards are changed cause else they would have to pay extra for each episode due to something thing I can't really remember :sweat:

They're paying for the edits to each card on the screen. :sweat:

They also kept the cards the way they were in the movie.

I would like to know more about why they did it this way.

 

[Bigdog]

I am glad that you are challenging me on the point I was making (glad SOMEONE is, anyways). And I like the points you are trying to make, but I feel like your points are based mostly on conjecture...

I understand how iconic and big the series is. But like Cirno said, that's a big can of worms. I dare say that at least half of the VA's that work for 4Kids are really terrible and not at all as talented as they seem. People like Funimation always have more talented people. That might be why the acting on 4Kids' attempt at an uncut dub was "stited", as Cirno said. Take Funimation's dub of One Piece, the voices are just as perfectly matching to the Japanese voices and the acting is leagues better. I've seen Funimation bring in voice actors that weren't part of their cast of regulars, but if they brought in the 4Kids VA's, they'd have to do some really good directing to improve their performance. Not that I'm against it, I just honestly believe that Funimation has better talent under their sleeves.

I love to debate with others as it keeps me thinking on my mental toes. Unlike many people , I liked 4Kids' voices for One Piece as I felt they fit their characters and seeing as I haven't seen it in a while , I'll give it another try . I really Funimation and will not buy an anime they recently acquired until they put their talent onto it. For instance , I didn't buy a single DB/Z Boxset until they went uncut on them and made them legit while I'm awaiting a hopeful re-release of Evangleion the anime TV series under their label.

I have not personally seen any of the uncut dubbed Yu-Gi-Oh episodes in my life but I will take your word for it as if they are that bad , they aren't worth looking at. A years ago , I considered buying them , but I'm glad I didn't. If they do redub it , I hope the new VAs if they can try to put some of the essence of the older VAs into their performance , but if they can't it won't matter. I'd still snatch it up .

Honestly, I don't believe that changing the VA cast would hurt things that much. Even Funimation as VAs talented enough to imitate and sound just as good the previous voices. They did this before once with DBZ before making the dub their own thing. And let's be honest, if the Pokemon anime is failing, it's not because they changed the VAs or gave the dubbing rights to a different company. The new VAs have picked up just fine where the old ones left off, even if there was a rough start. The only reason why Pokemon is failing is because of the other reasons you said. Ash never aging, repetitive plots and cliches, lack of originality, etc. Sounds more like you've outgrown Pokemon, as have I. But it was never the change in VAs that caused it to go downhill or caused me to stop watching. And that anime is still on the air and probably still appeals to kids, so it must be doing something successful.


I think a change in VAs would be noticed, but if people are only watching it an enjoying it for the show itself and not caring about anything else, then they'll get use to it and will soon welcome the new cast. And I don't think it would effect sales either, because it's not the VA cast that determines if DVDs and merch will sell or not. It might be a factor for some customers, but it's not a major determining factor.

Actually I love the older seasons that consist of the first two generations of Pokemon, but towards Master Quest I started feeling agitated that the GSC story-line wasn't adapted to its fullest potential like with the Pokemon Adventures manga. In fact ,they should have went that route and used the character designs from the anime while using the situations in the GSC manga. GSC is my favorite generation and the story within it felt miles superior to the anime that even the spinoff episodes with Gold in it were meh.

I would've stopped watching it at a later time had they not changed the VAs, but the bullshit that persisted within it was too much for me to bare. And with the other animes on Cartoon Network at the time (more mature and different) drawing me away from Pokemon , it as as you said i grew out of it.

Probably would have to pay the company that owns the rights to the actual card game. Either way, even if a new uncut dub is made for Yu-Gi-Oh!, that is the one thing I don't mind still being changed, the names of the cards. You pretty much have to make sure that the dubbed name of the cards matches with the cards being sold in the States. That's how you promote it effectively.

I'm sure it could be worked out, with a pre-production dubbing staff to make sure the cards have a similar or same name. Then again ,it would be awesome if they left the kanji. Everybody knows that its Japanese anyways , so why go through the hassle of ridding the cultural markers of the series ? Another reason why I'm glad 4Kids is gone.

 

[SamuraiEchidna]

I love to debate with others as it keeps me thinking on my mental toes. Unlike many people , I liked 4Kids' voices for One Piece as I felt they fit their characters and seeing as I haven't seen it in a while , I'll give it another try . I really Funimation and will not buy an anime they recently acquired until they put their talent onto it. For instance , I didn't buy a single DB/Z Boxset until they went uncut on them and made them legit while I'm awaiting a hopeful re-release of Evangleion the anime TV series under their label.

I have not personally seen any of the uncut dubbed Yu-Gi-Oh episodes in my life but I will take your word for it as if they are that bad , they aren't worth looking at. A years ago , I considered buying them , but I'm glad I didn't. If they do redub it , I hope the new VAs if they can try to put some of the essence of the older VAs into their performance , but if they can't it won't matter. I'd still snatch it up .

~Snip~

I'm sure it could be worked out, with a pre-production dubbing staff to make sure the cards have a similar or same name. Then again ,it would be awesome if they left the kanji. Everybody knows that its Japanese anyways , so why go through the hassle of ridding the cultural markers of the series ? Another reason why I'm glad 4Kids is gone.

Thanks for that! Glad to see people who can debate in a sensible manner.

Yeah, if you are waiting for 100% faithful, uncut dub and if you've been fighting Funimation dubs to make sure you get the best one they could ever make, then I would ignore the short line of "uncut" DVD's that 4Kids released. In reality, they aren't perfectly uncut. They are only half uncut. There use to be a clip on YouTube to prove my point, but it's gone now...

Personally, for the cards, I am fine with whatever they do; blank, English text, Japanese text, etc. But I'm pretty sure it's too late to start using the Japanese names of cards in a new dub. So, if the Japanese text was to appear in the US version, it would have to just be a gentle nod to the Japanese version.

 

[Bigdog]

Thanks for that! Glad to see people who can debate in a sensible manner.

Yeah, if you are waiting for 100% faithful, uncut dub and if you've been fighting Funimation dubs to make sure you get the best one they could ever make, then I would ignore the short line of "uncut" DVD's that 4Kids released. In reality, they aren't perfectly uncut. They are only half uncut. There use to be a clip on YouTube to prove my point, but it's gone now...

Personally, for the cards, I am fine with whatever they do; blank, English text, Japanese text, etc. But I'm pretty sure it's too late to start using the Japanese names of cards in a new dub. So, if the Japanese text was to appear in the US version, it would have to just be a gentle nod to the Japanese version.

If they were not the company to get it , I want Saban to do so ,if they went the route of Tamers in how they dubbed that show. One time , I placed the English audio over the Japanese original video and it virtually was the same show with few differences in story for Jerri. If Saban was to make uncut versions of Tamers for that matter it would just be a copy/paste job over the Japanese video source and I'd be fine with it .

But before I get too much of of topic , my point is that Saban would be a good dubber for the series considering how they did Digimon well (Ok, 02 was not that good of a dub , but in comparison to many out there it served its purpose) and thus would be a great home for the franchise because it would be put on Nickelodeon /Nicktoons (hopefully the former) and have a decent viewership than if it was on CN.

I'm not that picky either for those cards because it's just the story that makes me watch the show if not seeing how horribly they play in comparison to the real rules. I fully agree with you that having the Japanese text as a nod is a perfect idea.

 

[SentaiRider]

4Kids Files 4 Bankrupcy

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/4Kids-Entertainment-Files-for-bw-277838303.html?x=0

 

[Darkster]

*chuckles at SentaiRider's heading.*

Well, I knew it would happen.

 

[Hidden Masta]

Dam beat me too it. >.>

Oh well, Oh happy day!

 

[Mr G]

You mean 4kids will no long be around to butcher anime?

What a shame. Hope I'm able to sleep tonight.

 

[Loghorn]

Hooray, indeed at hearing this news.

 

[MMPR]

Hopefully something will happen and anime can get back to being respected in North America