Why was there a Checkmate Four instead of a Checkmate Five in Kiva?
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FreedomR8G6B1
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I always imagined "Knight" in Kiva being a total badass. He would absolutely fit the role of middle man/rebel of the group.
The battle I see would be...
Checkmate Four's "Black Knight" vs. Blue Sky's "White Knight"...I always pictured that in Kiva...saying "Okay...so...where's Checkmate Four's Knight?"
But makes him unique is that he would hold some form of chivalry.
"Rook, your Time Plays are unnecessary and screw your laws Bishop" and then whoop both of them in their fangire forms, while he's in human form. Just make him ridiculously powerful for the sake he doesn't always fight at full potential by choice.
He would also be the one supporting Taiga with advice, but at the same time allow Mio to do as she pleases, even if it meant going back to Wataru. While he may apologize for the extermination for the Wolfen, Franken, and Mermen...he would still hold them for contempt for supporting a "false Kiva."
To Wataru he'd probably state..."IF YOU'RE TRULY THE BEARER OF KIVA...THEN SHOW ME ALL YOUR STRENGTH!!!" and probably beat Wataru to the inch of his life, but would question why Maya bestowed the title of Kiva to Wataru.
His quote would be maybe:
"I bear no grudge towards you...however...as my title of Knight...you must be executed."
The battle I see would be...
Checkmate Four's "Black Knight" vs. Blue Sky's "White Knight"...I always pictured that in Kiva...saying "Okay...so...where's Checkmate Four's Knight?"
But makes him unique is that he would hold some form of chivalry.
"Rook, your Time Plays are unnecessary and screw your laws Bishop" and then whoop both of them in their fangire forms, while he's in human form. Just make him ridiculously powerful for the sake he doesn't always fight at full potential by choice.
He would also be the one supporting Taiga with advice, but at the same time allow Mio to do as she pleases, even if it meant going back to Wataru. While he may apologize for the extermination for the Wolfen, Franken, and Mermen...he would still hold them for contempt for supporting a "false Kiva."
To Wataru he'd probably state..."IF YOU'RE TRULY THE BEARER OF KIVA...THEN SHOW ME ALL YOUR STRENGTH!!!" and probably beat Wataru to the inch of his life, but would question why Maya bestowed the title of Kiva to Wataru.
His quote would be maybe:
"I bear no grudge towards you...however...as my title of Knight...you must be executed."
Daikamonohashi
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Kiva is a terrible series with very little in the way of, you know, logic. There's your answer.
FreedomR8G6B1
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It's one of the things I keep banging my head against the wall about along with things like...The Ryuki Reset...Decade being Jesus...and Keith's hatred for Den-O.
*shrugs*
HenshinSlayer
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I wish they fixed Kiva's story. We have a monster showdown. Darkstalkers/Castlevania/Devil May Cry style.
The Blue Sky would be the white chess pieces while the Fangires are the black chess pieces.
Saga shouldn't be king but knight. The true King would be the true main antagonist.
The Blue Sky would be the white chess pieces while the Fangires are the black chess pieces.
Saga shouldn't be king but knight. The true King would be the true main antagonist.
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Solari
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I think they were going for the Shitennou(四天王 or four heavenly kings) idea, but applying it using chess.
This 4 sub-bosses motif is quite common in fiction,and games. (eg. In Pokemon, player has to fight Elite Four first before fighting the Champion.)
Real life as well uses the title for groups of 4 notable people(eg. the Four Heavenly Kings of canto-pop). Not just in Japan, but in the Chinese sphere as well.
This 4 sub-bosses motif is quite common in fiction,and games. (eg. In Pokemon, player has to fight Elite Four first before fighting the Champion.)
Real life as well uses the title for groups of 4 notable people(eg. the Four Heavenly Kings of canto-pop). Not just in Japan, but in the Chinese sphere as well.
Black Fang
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Well like I said, if they wanted use the number four, choose a motif other than chess that can accommodate four roles and not leave anything out.
Lynxara
Nice post!!
What's wrong with "leaving something out"? I mean, why is five a better number than four? Why not argue it should've been the Checkmate Six, to accommodate the six different types of chess pieces? The Checkmate Sixteen, to accommodate all the pieces on a single side? Or the Checkmate Thirty-Two, divided into white and black factions?
It just seems silly and arbitrary to me to insist that a motif can't omit aspects of a theme that don't fit what the producers what to do. How a motif is used should be dictated by the needs of the story, not by trivia. So there's not a Knight Fangire because the creators decided that the story simply didn't require that such a character or role exist.
Also, to be honest, I find it a bit appalling to argue that motifs can only be used in very literal ways. That's usually a sign of questionable taste and poor creativity.
It just seems silly and arbitrary to me to insist that a motif can't omit aspects of a theme that don't fit what the producers what to do. How a motif is used should be dictated by the needs of the story, not by trivia. So there's not a Knight Fangire because the creators decided that the story simply didn't require that such a character or role exist.
Also, to be honest, I find it a bit appalling to argue that motifs can only be used in very literal ways. That's usually a sign of questionable taste and poor creativity.
Black Fang
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I thought the lesser Fangires counted as Pawns.
I don't just see any reason to exclude the Knight. Why not the Rook or the Bishop? What made Inoue or whoever decide what they did? Was it arbitrary or do rooks and bishops have a particular meaning?
