But that isn’t what happened though. They had more pressing concerns since they learn from Micchy that Kouta is after the Overlords, to try and make them control the forest which endangers Ryouma/Sid/Yoko’s personal stake in Yggdrasil. And of course once the secret gets it they throw him off a cliff and it becomes a free for all.
That's exactly what happened. As soon as it was no longer necessary for the current plot/drama, it was ignored. "More pressing concerns" do not make that one cease to exist, and
that concern had them ready to, again, nuke the entire city - it was a driving point for weeks. Then it's just dropped. Poof. Gone.
Yes, they had convenient distractions, but that doesn't change the fact that they never even cared about the issue once the show stopped needing it to be one. It's kind of similar to the "shock value" thing that other users have mentioned - the big things are used for the big moments, then dropped as soon as the "shock" is over.
Because no one can stop it. The whole reason Yggdrasil wants to murder 6 billion people and why Kouta is so desperate to obtain the Golden Fruit in the first place is that no one can stop the spread of Helheim. You even have Takatora admitting that he can barely handle it when it was just cracks appearing and inves and vines popping up everywhere. Now it’s an entire city being engulfed by Helheim and the Inves everywhere with only 8 people around to deal with the Inves. How could they do anything about it?
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm not saying everyone should stop and try to figure out how to stop it, I'm saying
any non-Rider being near the fruits without eating them at all makes no sense.
I assume because the nut lockseeds are the most plentiful in contrast to the more rare fruit ones. And out of those: pinecone, acorn and walnut: the pinecone is the most versatile (able to use sidearms/flamethrower and pilot and work machinery) and has the best range (in contrast to Gridon)
That's in-show logic. I'm talking about the potential wasted in not creating a brand new suit for the role altogether - say, a new nut that would do the exact same thing for example.
The undersuits are programmed into the belts and aren’t in the lockseeds. The only time this was an inconsistency is when Yoko uses Ryouma’s belt to transform. Otherwise there is no inconsistency here.
There were a few other moments in the series when characters got new/different Sengoku drivers but still ended up with the forms they had had previously.
Because Gaim is basically the same as Zangetsu minus the headpiece.
... And...? That really doesn't address what I was saying.
IMO I don’t think Urobuchi really cared about this mechanic other than that time with Kouta using Banana. But it goes back to him not really caring about powerups like pineapple, strawberry or the jinba cherry or peach. The only power-ups that mattered to him seemed to be Jinba, Kachidoki and Kiwami for Gaim and Zangetsu Shin and Yomatsu Heguri for Micchy.
Maybe so, but that doesn't change how I feel about its execution.
This shows a huge misunderstanding of the nature of the armor system in Gaim. None of it is “naturalâ€, they were all created by Ryouma. It’s just that Kiwami Arms can call all armors because it’s just that powerful and the embodiment of ultimate power.
As I recall, Ryouma talked about "developing" the Energy Lock Seeds. On the other hand, when you just pick a fruit in Helheim, you get a Lock Seed if you're wearing a belt - "natural" may have been the wrong word, but the point was that Energy Lock Seeds clearly required more human intervention than the regular kind (and we never see anyone just pick one), therefore, I believe them being a part of Kiwami doesn't make sense based on what we observe of the different types of Lock Seeds.
Because the data for Baron’s undersuit or “pre-arms†(as you call it) is stored in the belt and Ryouma kept the original Baron undersuit for Kaito’s belt. And the only alteration to the Gaim undersuit was to the helmet. Furthermore the Genesis Core and the Genesis Driver in the show are two completely different things. Unlike in the toy, it’s not the latch from the Genesis Driver that becomes the Genesis Core.
I don't recall any of these things being mentioned in the actual show. One could infer them, but that's not really the point. Likewise, even if it's the "only" alteration, it's still an alteration. Likewise, I don't think they ever actually said in the show that the belts came with the things programmed either. That doesn't mean it's unlikely, but as I mentioned before, there are inconsistencies with that.
These things are less messes or contradictions and just things that you either don't get or disagree with (which does not make it a contradiction).
And I don't think you understand the purpose of the thread. These are issues I take with the show and its execution of, things that I think could have been done better, etc., not things I'm looking for explanations for.
What are you talking about? He shows up throughout the Energy Rider introduction. Zangetsu Shin uses him to incriminate and scapegoat and fight the Armored Riders. He is used again in their attempt to steal Kouta’s belt and on his own initiative tries to break up the Beat Riders’ gathering. He is MIA in the episodes which detail Kouta finding out all the dark secrets of Helheim (including Yuuya’s fate) and that has less to do with Energy Riders and more like he would stick out like a sore thumb in those stories (much like the Toqgers did in the Special between 23 and 24)
Uh. If you hadn't cut out the rest of my quote, as I never said he wasn't not present, but rather talked about how seriously he was being taken/used, you would know exactly what I'm talking about.
How is her motivation any different from Ryouma’s desire to “evolve†humanity with his belts or Sid’s desire for power that no can tell him what to do ever again? Really if you are talking about her role within Yggdrasil: she and Sid are pretty much the muscle to Takatora and Ryouma’s leadership and brains. But her motive isn’t anymore ridiculous than Ryouma’s or Sid’s.
I'm... not really seeing anything ridiculous about either of their motives. Hers, on the other hand, is just a letdown. There's nothing "wrong" with it, but it serves very little purpose and just serves to show the missed potential. Her only goal was to push someone else's goal. At least Ryouma and Sid had goals of their own. Likewise, they had a lot of outside roles in the story, which is what I was talking about. She didn't. She was Ryouma's secretary for a little while and then Kaito's. Woo.
Kaito would have been killed by Demushu in the cave in their first meeting if she hadn’t saved her, he wouldn’t have gotten the Genesis Driver from Ryouma because she was the one who pressed him to give Kaito another chance and Kouta wouldn’t have been so insecure about him getting the fruit.
The "other than fight scenes" comment I made covers the first part, the second is one thing, fine, but hardly something of note, especially in comparison to every single other Rider (and even some of the non-Riders) in the show.
I think Kiwami is pretty much his monster form. But also like the original Riders who are cyborgs/kaizo ningen while appearing human, Kouta can also appear human (and bled red), but in reality he is not human anymore.
I get that, it's just something I would have liked to see and an issue I take with the show since we've had heroes who became (or even WERE) monsters before.
According to the official site, Kurokage is the most adequate for team work and combined attacks compared to the other Riders.
And a new Rider they could have been invented to fill that same role. That was... never really addressed in the story either, so good for the site, I guess?
According to the official site, any Genesis Driver can get its Core part detached. There was nothing special about Kouta's Genesis Core in that sense. Although obviously, he's the only one to use it and only with Orange because it's the only suit that exists.
The fact that there's nothing special about is another point to that there should have been more then.
I don't think that was ever implied. According to the official site, the Energy Lockseed are the same as the standard ones (transformations of Helheim fruits thanks to Ryoma's tech), but more technologically advanced.
As I mentioned above, there was evidence for thinking such. They didn't ever pick an Energy Seed and Ryouma went on and on about "developing" them - this was never the case for the other Lock Seeds. "The official site" sure apparently likes having information that they couldn't include in the show for some reason (a really poor form of storytelling in my opinion - if you can't include something relevant in the story, the way I see it, it doesn't exist) though, sheesh.
Baron has his Sengoku Drive data according to the official site, which is also probably the excuse for him looking different from Duke, in spite of also using Lemon. However, still going by the official site, in spite of not looking like it, Baron Lemon Energy is supposed to have an Energy Arms undersuit. The parts and descriptions are all altered to match an Energy Rider's, although some are simplified since there's no actual visual change.
Rather than looking like Duke, my point is that the change should have been as significant as Zangetsu to Zangetsu Shin was. This "oh Ryouma programmed it that way lol" just seems like a convenient excuse to avoid keeping things consistent.
Gaim was the first test belt Yggdrasil publicly gave out. Probably needed to show off the features in the Beat Riders Hotline advertising and have one solid test subject to use it for Ryouma to create the Sonic Arrow.
While that makes sense, there not being any other Musou Sabers doesn't - and my point was from an out-of-show design aspect, not so much what the explanation in the show might be.
