Tensou Sentai Goseiger - Post-Series Discussion Thread

[lazycoconut]

It wasn't just "in spirit" though. The idea of angels at a children's side even if they can't be seen is pretty traditional, and it was shown that he was actually doing it in the end, when Nozomu finds the angel feather.

That's true but it's still a pretty horrible cop-out

 

[KingRanger]

Inspiring? I found it kind of a let-down. It was unnecessarily sad, and it showed Alata in a bad light: he wouldn't agree to see Nozomu again, he just gave him some patronising spiel about "we'll be with you in spirit, okay?" :redface2: It's like sticking two fingers up at the viewers, since Nozomu is supposed to be the audience substitute (you can argue about how well that worked or didn't work but it was his role in the show)

It never ceases to amaze me how you miss entire points of shows.:anime:

 

[lazycoconut]

It never ceases to amaze me how you miss entire points of shows.:anime:

Considering that most of Goseiger's detractors are whining that there was no point to it ...

 

[Lynxara]

Considering that most of Goseiger's detractors are whining that there was no point to it ...

You've probably done more to put people off the show than any of its detractors, to be honest.

I'm pretty sure the Angels left at the end because a bunch of unemployed twenty-somethings living in some guy's spare room forever and hanging out with his kid is pretty creepy.

There's no way to keep the "miracle exception" that makes an audience not find this creepy going once the bad guys are beaten.

So the Angels go to travel the world and do adult Angel things and Nozomu will see them again when he's older. That's okay ending. Not the best, but it fits.

 

[lazycoconut]

You've probably done more to put people off the show than any of its detractors, to be honest.

And? Why would I care what half the morons on this board think?

I'm pretty sure the Angels left at the end because a bunch of unemployed twenty-somethings living in some guy's spare room forever and hanging out with his kid is pretty creepy.

There's no way to keep the "miracle exception" that makes an audience not find this creepy going once the bad guys are beaten.

So the Angels go to travel the world and do adult Angel things and Nozomu will see them again when he's older. That's okay ending. Not the best, but it fits.

My issue is not with them leaving, it's the way he spoke to Nozomu. He could at least have said straight out "no, you can't see us again" or "yes, we'll be back one day." The kid deserved a straight answer.

You're also assuming that an audience of three to seven-year-olds would view the Goseigers' living arrangements as "creepy." I doubt it

 

[KouAidou]

Sometimes I wonder if the whole angelic theme puts off people from the series. The only aspect of the theme that seems to generally get positive reactions is the "falen angel" idea with Brazila. Every other attempt Goseiger made at following it seems to be met with mixed reactions. Initially, I was annoyed by how mixed the execution of the angel theme felt, with the cards and animals thrown in, but, now, I wonder if a pure angel theme would be just too hard to do...

I know you're speaking of "in general," but I really loved how they did the angel theme. It's been said before, but I'm pretty sure the idea isn't that they're, like, "Christian Angels." They're Guardian Angels; effectively closer to the folkloric concept of angel than the dogmatic religious one. (I really wonder if people would have gotten the series more if TVN had just translated "Gosei" as "Guardian." I'm pretty sure that would have worked in all cases that the word is used.)

Once you move past the idea that there "should be" some aggressive religious imagery going on there, I think the cards/animals stuff is easier to accept. (It's still not awesome, IMO -- I'm not fond of cards or animal mecha in the best of times -- but it feels like less of a total record-scratch. It's not as if guardian angels really have a lot of obvious imagery to associate with them, so it's easier to fill in the blanks with whatever you need. Take this in contrast to Pirates or Wizards or Samurai.)

Once you think of them as Guardian Angels, more about the series falls into place. The characters aren't "deep" because they aren't supposed to be. They have their problems, but their internal struggle is framed entirely around "how can I get better at protecting Earth and its people," which is certainly aspirational, but not a struggle most normal people face.

So the power fantasy isn't "wouldn't it be cool to be an angel like these guys;" it's "wouldn't it be cool if there were guys like this out there looking out for us," and we watch as they learn and fight and become more and more the type of people you'd really want watching humanity's back. The concept is a bit more like Ultraman does (from what I've seen of it) than what Kamen Rider does. That's why Nozomu is there, to be the real identification point and make us think how nice it would be to have awesome special friends looking out for us in bad times.

It's an off-beat thing to do given the fan preference for main characters who are "real people with real problems," and obviously the series didn't always succeed at portraying what I described (shuffling Nozomu off-camera constantly during the early episodes didn't help), but in its platonic ideal form I find Goseiger's concept pretty exulting.

 

[KingRanger]

Considering that most of Goseiger's detractors are whining that there was no point to it ...

I don't really care what detractors say anymore. Most of the people that spend time bitching about a series seem to enjoy the bitching. It's like instead of enjoying a different show, they enjoy bitching about the current show.

 

[Lynxara]

Sometimes I wonder if the whole angelic theme puts off people from the series.

The friends I have who just cannot get into Goseiger no matter what tend to point to this as the reason why. Something about it feels too sparkly and gentle to them, like something that should be in a magical girl show instead.

I don't feel this disconnect myself but I can kind of imagine feeling it. It sucks, but I think for all of us there's some show we'd like to get into but can't because something about it rubs us the wrong way.

 

[MetalSymphony]

I've let everything gestate for awhile, so ill be getting to the Series proper later, but for now i'll throw in my 2 cents on the ending.

Other than how the final "battle" was won, i pretty much nail how the season would end, with the team promoted to full angel's, go there separate ways to do Angel stuff and give's the Avatar Nozomu some "we'll always be with you" spiel.

Now i had predecited that Alata would stop Nega End by (somehow) giving up his power to make a End Card for the others before 'dying', and they would cast it to cancel out Nega End. Big explosion, End brings Alata back to life and scene.

The whole GoseiGlobal thing was a bit lame, but knowing this show did didn't surprise me very much.

And i was expecting Brajira to go (pun intended) One Winged Angel on them after they be him, but nope............:disappoin

 

[KingRanger]

I've let everything gestate for awhile, so ill be getting to the Series proper later, but for now i'll throw in my 2 cents on the ending.

Other than how the final "battle" was won, i pretty much nail how the season would end, with the team promoted to full angel's, go there separate ways to do Angel stuff and give's the Avatar Nozomu some "we'll always be with you" spiel.

Now i had predecited that Alata would stop Nega End by (somehow) giving up his power to make a End Card for the others before 'dying', and they would cast it to cancel out Nega End. Big explosion, End brings Alata back to life and scene.

The whole GoseiGlobal thing was a bit lame, but knowing this show did didn't surprise me very much.

And i was expecting Brajira to go (pun intended) One Winged Angel on them after they be him, but nope............:disappoin

Just exactly how was gosei global lame? This series has been building up to the 5 of them combining the powers into one big attack like that for a while.