Should I Still Watch Kabuto?

[musashi03]

I had no idea Kabuto had such a polorizing effect on the HJU community. I will point out the issue I see from the offset, with this thread, of the fanbase in general, and that is lack of your own opinion, or the inability to form one. Instead of watching it for yourself, you/we run to the forums/4chan, and ask if it's worth seeing to the end, or at all.

That's the problem. Until that is addressed, I won't even entertain threads like this, in most cases.

My suggestion, is to watch it through. Obviously, you (or whomever) likes Kamen Riders, and Kamen Riders fighting monsters. All the shows have that, in some vein.

I agree. It's funny how people come up with BS critiques even if they didn't even finish the damn show.

That's like saying if a sci-fi movie has stars every sci-fi movie fan would like it.

Kamen Riders always had heroes fighting monsters or villains, it's a signature trait. I'm not sure how were you able to equate it to something as vast as the Sci-Fi genre.

Yeah I think watching shows one doesn't like is stupid. I mean if you are so unsure of your opinion you need to bitch and moan about it every chance you get, then you have bigger issues to worry about.

Because people like you create more stupid fans, not allowing them to find out on their own the value of a show, having them rely on your subjective opinion on an issue since you're pretty pissed at a show. As they have said, "let calmer heads prevail", which in general means that other than the idea of anger or calmness, an objective view of something is better than a subjective view of anything.

 

[KingRanger]

Then respect the simple fact that some people like to complete things. Not everyone is the same as you, so learn to respect other people's opinion.

Some people just want to finish a whole series in order to have a final objective critique on it, if you're not that type of person, I respect that... But learn to respect people with different views from yours.

Why should a person respect what they don't believe in? Why should one respect an opinion they don't agree with?

If you are watching a series just to have a "final objective critique" that just means you want to watch it so you can talk about it on forums and what not. Who gives a **** if some one watches an entire series.

 

[KingRanger]

Kamen Riders always had heroes fighting monsters or villains, it's a signature trait. I'm not sure how were you able to equate it to something as vast as the Sci-Fi genre.

Two guys in KR suits are fighting doesn't make all KR series good.

 

[Phalanx]

That's like saying if a sci-fi movie has stars every sci-fi movie fan would like it.

That's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is, if you need to ask for someone else's view on a television program you spent several hours watching, up until the 15th episode, or so, then there's a problem that should be addressed.

 

[KingRanger]

Because people like you create more stupid fans, not allowing them to find out on their own the value of a show, having them rely on your subjective opinion on an issue since you're pretty pissed at a show. As they have said, "let calmer heads prevail", which in general means that other than the idea of anger or calmness, an objective view of something is better than a subjective view of anything.

Who said Myself or people that think your opinion is misguided don't want people to watch shows for themselves? I mean now you are just grasping. There is no objective view of a show in a fandom like this. Anyone who says they can be objective is probably lying.

 

[musashi03]

Why should a person respect what they don't believe in? Why should one respect an opinion they don't agree with?

If you are watching a series just to have a "final objective critique" that just means you want to watch it so you can talk about it on forums and what not. Who gives a **** if some one watches an entire series.

Because each and every person has their own opinion, you might not agree with it, but you respect it because each person is unique.

And watching the whole series isn't just about giving a final objective critique, yes it's a bonus since it's better than the opinion of somebody who didn't see the whole picture since they didn't finish it, but again, watching the whole series shows that we love the franchise, but not necessarily all the shows.

Two guys in KR suits are fighting doesn't make all KR series good.

Who ever said that it makes a KR series good?

 

[musashi03]

Who said Myself or people that think your opinion is misguided don't want people to watch shows for themselves? I mean now you are just grasping. There is no objective view of a show in a fandom like this. Anyone who says they can be objective is probably lying.

Now you're the one grasping at straws for assuming lies now. Tsk tsk. :rolleyes2:

 

[KingRanger]

Now you're the one grasping at straws for assuming lies now. Tsk tsk. :rolleyes2:

I'm sorry. It is clear to me you are like 11 or 12 years old, and not able to really discuss things like this. I will now do something I should have done a long time ago.

 

[musashi03]

I'm sorry. It is clear to me you are like 11 or 12 years old, and not able to really discuss things like this. I will now do something I should have done a long time ago.

And saying that other people's opinion are stupid sounds so mature eh? :rofl:

 

[Rainboy]

First off, you were the one who assumed I was talking about Toei ending the franchise.

No, no...you brought it up first, sir (and out of nowhere, might I add), as proven below (see page 5, post #43)...

And PPS: You can't apply the "sinking ship" logic to this show, why? Because it's not like Toei is going to stop showing the whole series in the middle or it's not like it has no fans at all.

...as you see, YOU brought up the idea, and from there insisted that I said the show was going to end. So, again, don't put words in other peoples' mouths...it's a tad bit rude.

KR = Franchise right? So as far as we can see, you're the one who brought up the Toei was going to end a franchise whereas I was simply talking about Toei not ending any series abruptly, so no "sinking ship" analogy there, since a KR series will reach it's conclusion, which means the ship will reach its destination.

Oh dear. You truly are very confused. Well, if you re-read my posts, you'll see that I never mentioned Toei ending Kamen Rider in all it's entirety. Again, with the "putting words in peoples' mouths" thing. Really, if you don't understand what I'm saying, don't make stuff up, or better yet, just don't reply.

Not to be offensive, but I'm kind of getting the vibe that you don't understand how analogies work, or at least, the specific one I was using. With that said, I am gonna just leave that portion of this debate as is, as I am not a teacher and don't feel like giving you a lesson on the subject.

Oh, so comparing us to a "proud captain of a sinking ship" isn't disrespectful of our opinions? Saying that we are only hurting ourselves when we're actually gaining by completing a series? Funny, if you indeed respected the opposing view from yours, you should have just kept quiet since you've said your piece already, then you agreed with somebody who calls other people's opinion "stupid". Tsk tsk...

Well, just because I agreed with another user's viewpoint doesn't mean I agreed with him specifically calling you "stupid". We share the train of thought that there is personally no positives to forcing ourselves to watch things we don't enjoy. I'm sure there are more who would agree with this idea than those who disagree. Alas, if that's what makes you happy, so be it. However, don't expect people to not argue the reasons why they don't agree with it. Everything is up for debate (mostly.)

And apparently, those three are the recent ones right? Meaning Toei is moving into that direction, meaning that finishing all previous KRs does tend to complete the circle.

Actually, no. Regardless of the direction they are taking KR, most of the series still stand on their own. You can't really deny that.

This BS is really funny, coming from a guy who says other people's opinion are "stupid". :rolleyes2:

Gee, I also don't remember calling anyone "stupid" either. Sheesh, can't a guy get a break? I feel like Richard Kimble from The Fugitive with all these accusations and false claims.