Should I Still Watch Kabuto?

[Fantasy Leader]

:sly:

Did you even watch the show?

Tsukasa wasn't even remotely an asshole until the movies

I did watch the show. Heck, I even took several pages of notes on the show, since I knew fans were divided amongst it. And that's precisely how I felt about Tsukasa.

Now, I actually did look at Decade a second time, this time in the way that a fan of Decade would've watched it. And I thought Tsukasa was fine, as a second opinion. But something about my second opinion doesn't sound right.

Yeah it did. Dude the examples I listed and MANY more. I mean I am not any HUGE lover of DCD, but it seems to me that you are grasping for reasons to hate Tsukasa. Yeah he can be a dick at times, JUST like Tendou, but he wants to help people.

And lets not forget one HUGE thing about Tsukasa. He was told he is a destroyer of worlds. He was taking it pretty hard. Even through that he did what he did to help people. I mean you say you like Tendou, but he was an even bigger dick than Tsukasa. Tendou was even selfish to an extreme when it came to his sister.

That's not true. I am not grasping for reasons to hate Tsukasa. In fact, I tried my best to love him. I even decided to give a second opinion on him. If I was trying to desperately find reasons to hate Tsukasa, then I'm a fool.

 

[Rainboy]

But see, if you want to understand a series objectively, then you finish the series even if you don't like it. That's the main problem with a lot of people, they think we're hurting ourselves, even if the fact remains that we're expanding whatever knowledge we have of the whole franchise. Another problem with missing out episodes is when the time comes that you might need the story on a future movie or an All Rider-type story.

And haven't you guys heard of "completists"? If there are toy completists, then there's also series completists. You might not want to complete what completists completes, but that doesn't change the fact that they are there. Everybody has their own points of view, you might not like the opposite of what you like, but learn to respect what other's want, especially if it's not negatively affecting other people.

And PS: I agree that a television show is there to entertain us... But some people are not sticking with the specific entertainment garnered from a specific series, but rather from the franchise as a whole. It's called "looking at the bigger perspective" and how that single story affects every other story in the franchise. And at least you have the credibility to compare, because you've seen it as a whole, so you have enough knowledge and reason to do so...

And PPS: You can't apply the "sinking ship" logic to this show, why? Because it's not like Toei is going to stop showing the whole series in the middle or it's not like it has no fans at all.

You're logic is flawed in so many ways. I was not suggesting that KR was going to end, not sure where you got that idea. The sinking ship analogy applies to each series though. I watch KR on a semi-regular basis. Kabuto was one series I did not finish, because I personally hated it. I saved literally hours worth of time from NOT finishing it and was in turn able to read ep. descriptions/breakdowns and other tidbits of info on the remainder of the series from the internet, in what probably took less than an hours time total. Basically, I know every major piece of info that those who watched it did without all that wasted time. The only advantage you have over myself is a visual of what happened. That being said, I don't feel left out. You act as if all KR series are connected. So not true. Heck, the majority of Hesei era KR series aren't. It's just like PR and Sentai (with the exclusion of the Vs. movies and PR's occasional team-ups), it's generally not an ongoing tv show in terms of continuity...it's called "series" for a reason. Each series, for the most part, stand on it's own.

I'm not saying that it's a bad thing to be a completionist, but logically it just doesn't make sense to be one myself.

 

[musashi03]

You're logic is flawed in so many ways. I was not suggesting that KR was going to end, not sure where you got that idea. The sinking ship analogy applies to each series though.

That's what I said, I said "series", not "franchise" is not going to end. Read again since IT'S YOUR LOGIC THAT IS FLAWED IN SO MANY WAYS, or you just have trouble reading. Again, the "sinking ship" analogy still doesn't apply to ANY SERIES, because again, Toei isn't going to abruptly end it without an ending. It's going to finish whether it was rushed or not, so the ship IS going to reach its destination.

I watch KR on a semi-regular basis. Kabuto was one series I did not finish, because I personally hated it. I saved literally hours worth of time from NOT finishing it and was in turn able to read ep. descriptions/breakdowns and other tidbits of info on the remainder of the series from the internet, in what probably took less than an hours time total. Basically, I know every major piece of info that those who watched it did without all that wasted time. The only advantage you have over myself is a visual of what happened. That being said, I don't feel left out. You act as if all KR series are connected. So not true. Heck, the majority of Hesei era KR series aren't. It's just like PR and Sentai (with the exclusion of the Vs. movies and PR's occasional team-ups), it's generally not an ongoing tv show in terms of continuity...it's called "series" for a reason. Each series, for the most part, stand on it's own.

Haven't you seen what Decade, Double, and OOO's have been doing lately? You seem to be watching a different show if you can't see that all the series are being connected. Even if the basis is not the story, it is still a Kamen Rider show, which again, I'll watch mainly because I always want to see what Toei has come up with. You may not have the reason and time to finish what they give you, but some people have a good reason to, mainly again, to have an objective view on everything.

And it's called a "franchise" for a reason. Some people are a fan of the franchise, hence wanting to see everything, even if the story doesn't suit their taste. You might only love a specific Kamen Rider series or whatnot, but some people love the franchise as a whole.

I'm not saying that it's a bad thing to be a completionist, but logically it just doesn't make sense to be one myself.

Then respect the simple fact that some people like to complete things. Not everyone is the same as you, so learn to respect other people's opinion.

Some people just want to finish a whole series in order to have a final objective critique on it, if you're not that type of person, I respect that... But learn to respect people with different views from yours.

 

[Rainboy]

That's what I said, I said "series", not "franchise" is not going to end. Read again since IT'S YOUR LOGIC THAT IS FLAWED IN SO MANY WAYS, or you just have trouble reading. Again, the "sinking ship" analogy still doesn't apply to ANY SERIES, because again, Toei isn't going to abruptly end it without an ending. It's going to finish whether it was rushed or not, so the ship IS going to reach its destination.

When did I say Toei is going to abruptly end anything? Oh, that's right, I didn't. "Series", "franchise"...hell, "season", the terminology doesn't matter since you're still missing the point of my previous post. I was referring to someone's distaste in a particular series. I.E. if you don't like a series and it's not entertaining, don't waste your time watching it...hence the "abandon ship" analogy (or maybe, "stop while you're ahead" might be one you understand...?) I don't think it can be explained any simpler.

Again, I never attacked or personally criticized you for being a completist. That's fine and dandy for yourself, I personally just have better things to do then waste my time with something I don't enjoy watching. Just please, don't accuse me of trying, as I have not.

And finally, in terms of Heisei-era Rider series; we've had what...12 series total? And you've listed only 3 that have a greater sense of continuity. So, sadly for you, my original point still stands that the majority of Heisei-era KR series are not connected in terms of continuity. The facts don't lie.

 

[KingRanger]

When did I say Toei is going to abruptly end anything? Oh, that's right, I didn't. "Series", "franchise"...hell, "season", the terminology doesn't matter since you're still missing the point of my previous post. I was referring to someone's distaste in a particular series. I.E. if you don't like a series and it's not entertaining, don't waste your time watching it...hence the "abandon ship" analogy (or maybe, "stop while you're ahead" might be one you understand...?) I don't think it can be explained any simpler.

Again, I never attacked or personally criticized you for being a completist. That's fine and dandy for yourself, I personally just have better things to do then waste my time with something I don't enjoy watching. Just please, don't accuse me of trying, as I have not.

And finally, in terms of Heisei-era Rider series; we've had what...12 series total? And you've listed only 3 that have a greater sense of continuity. So, sadly for you, my original point still stands that the majority of Heisei-era KR series are not connected in terms of continuity. The facts don't lie.

Stop trying to reason with musashi. He can't grasp that others think watching a series one doesn't like is silly. Best to just let him watch what he hates while the rest of us watch good shows.

 

[Wraithstrike]

There are two good things about Kabuto: the Movie, and the Soundtrack. If I say any more than that, this is going to turn into an angry rant.

 

[musashi03]

When did I say Toei is going to abruptly end anything? Oh, that's right, I didn't. "Series", "franchise"...hell, "season", the terminology doesn't matter since you're still missing the point of my previous post. I was referring to someone's distaste in a particular series. I.E. if you don't like a series and it's not entertaining, don't waste your time watching it...hence the "abandon ship" analogy (or maybe, "stop while you're ahead" might be one you understand...?) I don't think it can be explained any simpler.

First off, you were the one who assumed I was talking about Toei ending the franchise.

Exhibit A:

You're logic is flawed in so many ways. I was not suggesting that KR was going to end, not sure where you got that idea. The sinking ship analogy applies to each series though.

KR = Franchise right? So as far as we can see, you're the one who brought up the Toei was going to end a franchise whereas I was simply talking about Toei not ending any series abruptly, so no "sinking ship" analogy there, since a KR series will reach it's conclusion, which means the ship will reach its destination. :rolleyes2:

Again, I never attacked or personally criticized you for being a completist. That's fine and dandy for yourself, I personally just have better things to do then waste my time with something I don't enjoy watching. Just please, don't accuse me of trying, as I have not.

Oh, so comparing us to a "proud captain of a sinking ship" isn't disrespectful of our opinions? Saying that we are only hurting ourselves when we're actually gaining by completing a series? Funny, if you indeed respected the opposing view from yours, you should have just kept quiet since you've said your piece already, then you agreed with somebody who calls other people's opinion "stupid". Tsk tsk...

And finally, in terms of Heisei-era Rider series; we've had what...12 series total? And you've listed only 3 that have a greater sense of continuity. So, sadly for you, my original point still stands that the majority of Heisei-era KR series are not connected in terms of continuity. The facts don't lie.

And apparently, those three are the recent ones right? Meaning Toei is moving into that direction, meaning that finishing all previous KRs does tend to complete the circle. It might have been to late or too little, but since Toei is steering KR into that path, then it will only be a matter of time.

And trust me, I think KR is better off being standalone per series, but I will still watch each and every KR series because I'm a fan of the franchise. It's like a Football game, you're a fan of your home team, you always want to support them by watching their matches and cheering them, even if they're on a losing streak. You might be one of those who give up and just watch something else, but there are still those who support the team through thick and thin even if everything turns sour. That's why we're different, I am a Kamen Rider fan, I've been watching since Showa, and I sure am not going to stop now.

Stop trying to reason with musashi. He can't grasp that others think watching a series one doesn't like is silly. Best to just let him watch what he hates while the rest of us watch good shows.

This BS is really funny, coming from a guy who says other people's opinion are "stupid". :rolleyes2:

 

[Phalanx]

I had no idea Kabuto had such a polorizing effect on the HJU community. I will point out the issue I see from the offset, with this thread, of the fanbase in general, and that is lack of your own opinion, or the inability to form one. Instead of watching it for yourself, you/we run to the forums/4chan, and ask if it's worth seeing to the end, or at all.

That's the problem. Until that is addressed, I won't even entertain threads like this, in most cases.

My suggestion, is to watch it through. Obviously, you (or whomever) likes Kamen Riders, and Kamen Riders fighting monsters. All the shows have that, in some vein.

 

[KingRanger]

My suggestion, is to watch it through. Obviously, you (or whomever) likes Kamen Riders, and Kamen Riders fighting monsters. All the shows have that, in some vein.

That's like saying if a sci-fi movie has stars every sci-fi movie fan would like it.

 

[KingRanger]

This BS is really funny, coming from a guy who says other people's opinion are "stupid". :rolleyes2:

Yeah I think watching shows one doesn't like is stupid. I mean if you are so unsure of your opinion you need to bitch and moan about it every chance you get, then you have bigger issues to worry about.