Should I Still Watch Kabuto?

[Painted_Outlaw]

No, no...you brought it up first, sir (and out of nowhere, might I add), as proven below (see page 5, post #43)...

You gain nothing from watching something you don't like just because you're "loyal to the franchise".
That's like a captain too proud to abandon a sinking ship...you're only hurting yourself.

Just saying that I can see where this whole thing might have sprung up from. You might not have meant it this way but it does sound like you're saying "Hey if the franchise sucks but you don't wanna leave, tough for you."

Gee, I also don't remember calling anyone "stupid" either. Sheesh, can't a guy get a break? I feel like Richard Kimble from The Fugitive with all these accusations and false claims.

......
He was talking to Kingranger on that one, not you.

 

[musashi03]

^ Thanks Cirno, some members are just so full of themselves they tend to become very insensitive to what they do or say.

No, no...you brought it up first, sir (and out of nowhere, might I add), as proven below (see page 5, post #43)...

...as you see, YOU brought up the idea, and from there insisted that I said the show was going to end. So, again, don't put words in other peoples' mouths...it's a tad bit rude.

Can't you read what you just quoted? :rofl: I said SHOW, NOT FRANCHISE, and THIS SHOW means KABUTO. Since this is the topic. Dear dear, you're the one putting words in people's mouths, which is rude and you admit it. :laugh::rolleyes2:

Oh dear. You truly are very confused. Well, if you re-read my posts, you'll see that I never mentioned Toei ending Kamen Rider in all it's entirety. Again, with the "putting words in peoples' mouths" thing. Really, if you don't understand what I'm saying, don't make stuff up, or better yet, just don't reply.

Oh? You're the one who asked me where I got the idea that Toei is ending Kamen Rider did you not? And again, KAMEN RIDER = FRANCHISE. :rolleyes2:

Not to be offensive, but I'm kind of getting the vibe that you don't understand how analogies work, or at least, the specific one I was using. With that said, I am gonna just leave that portion of this debate as is, as I am not a teacher and don't feel like giving you a lesson on the subject.

What a lame excuse to your failure to use an analogy. Duh, analogies work because you can relate the things you're relating to, if you can't relate it with logic, then how can it be a valid analogy?

Sinking Ship Analogy = Ship sinks in the middle of it's voyage, forcing guys like you to "abandon ship" as you put it.

Kamen Rider series = Doesn't end in the middle because it will always get an ending which has been Toei's way or working, even if it's rushed.

The only way for you to "abandon ship" is when a show is not going to continue because of very low ratings. It has happened with many shows, where it was cut mid-season abruptly.

Kamen Rider shows don't end abruptly, they steadily reach their intended number of episodes (ie 48~50), but if the performance is low, they tend to rush the ending like what happened with Ultraman Nexus (Though this is a Tsuburaya Productions). So how did we become "proud captains of a sinking ship" when the show doesn't even end? It doesn't sink, it reaches its intended destination which is the ending of the series (whether rushed or not), so as far as we can see...

 

[Rainboy]

Wow. A lot of sarcastically used emotes, improper punctuation, and a FAIL pic? That's generally a sign of one on the brink of defeat (or on the brink of outright flaming, could go either way), but what they heck, I'll give it one last shot and see if I can get through to ya'!

^ Thanks Cirno, some members are just so full of themselves they tend to become very insensitive to what they do or say.

So now you're resorting to insults? I recall you just mocking King a few posts back saying that he wasn't acting "mature". How ironic.

Can't you read what you just quoted? :rofl: I said SHOW, NOT FRANCHISE, and THIS SHOW means KABUTO. Since this is the topic. Dear dear, you're the one putting words in people's mouths, which is rude and you admit it. :laugh::rolleyes2:

What? I admit being rude? Hmm, this is all becoming a headache. You clearly do not understand my original post and refuse to admit so. My analogy was ever so obviously referring to Kabuto specifically. If he (the OP) does not enjoy it, I said he should not watch it. Plain and simple. What is it about that that you're not understanding? This whole idea of Kabuto or any KR being canceled is all something you brought into the argument (likely because you misunderstood my initial post.) My "abandon ship" remark was never a way of saying something along the lines of "KR is ending, stop watching now!" It's very simple to understand, and I'm running out of ways to explain it to you. From the first time you quoted me, you've been taking things out of context and typing phrases and quotes that I did not bring up to begin with. If you re-read back from page 5, it's very clear to see.

Oh? You're the one who asked me where I got the idea that Toei is ending Kamen Rider did you not?

You accused me of saying KR was ending, to which I did not, YOU actually brought that idea up due to the fact that you misunderstood my original comment (I already pointed this out in my previous post, so I'm not going to reiterate myself).

What a lame excuse to your failure to use an analogy.

Funny, everyone else seems to have understood me but you. Let's rewind; the original poster asks, "I don't enjoy Kamen Rider Kabuto and I'm X amount of episodes in. Should I continue watching Kamen Rider Kabuto?" To which I replied...

It's called good writing. If you don't feel it's apparent within the first few episodes, hell, time to abandon ship folks!

Now, obviously this was in regards to Kabuto specifically, (otherwise I would not have replied in this thread) NOT Kamen Rider as a whole. That...that is the point you missed from the get-go, spurring this big, boring, 90% off-topic debate (to which I have counter-pointed and proven you wrong on every instance).

If you feel like continuing this pointless debate, I encourage you to PM me if it so pleases you. I'll be the big enough guy to let matters be and walk away before this gets heated. We've already taken this thread way off course, and for that, guys, I apologize.

 

[musashi03]

Wow. A lot of sarcastically used emotes, improper punctuation, and a FAIL pic? That's generally a sign of one on the brink of defeat (or on the brink of outright flaming, could go either way), but what they heck, I'll give it one last shot and see if I can get through to ya'!

Assuming again? :rolleyes2: And there's bound to be punctuation mistakes because I've been trying to divide your posts and trying to address them each. Geeez...

So now you're resorting to insults? I recall you just mocking King a few posts back saying that he wasn't acting "mature". How ironic.

Whoa, wasn't he the one who said I reminded him of an 11 year old first? Don't you know that you and King Ranger pretty much started everything? King Ranger already crossed the line by saying something offensive, and you also did so as Cirno has pointed out, yet you still don't know how to admit that you were the one who started all of this.

What? I admit being rude? Hmm, this is all becoming a headache. You clearly do not understand my original post and refuse to admit so. My analogy was ever so obviously referring to Kabuto specifically. If he (the OP) does not enjoy it, I said he should not watch it. Plain and simple. What is it about that that you're not understanding? This whole idea of Kabuto or any KR being canceled is all something you brought into the argument (likely because you misunderstood my initial post.) My "abandon ship" remark was never a way of saying something along the lines of "KR is ending, stop watching now!" It's very simple to understand, and I'm running out of ways to explain it to you. From the first time you quoted me, you've been taking things out of context and typing phrases and quotes that I did not bring up to begin with. If you re-read back from page 5, it's very clear to see.

Duh, you just said it!

- This whole idea of Kabuto or any KR being canceled is all something you brought into the argument

- My analogy was ever so obviously referring to Kabuto specifically.

:rofl:

You just acknowledged that I was talking about Kabuto, since it is a KR series. "Kabuto or any KR" means I am talking about Kabuto too, since I was talking about a KR series specifically. Duh~

You accused me of saying KR was ending, to which I did not, YOU actually brought that idea up due to the fact that you misunderstood my original comment (I already pointed this out in my previous post, so I'm not going to reiterate myself).

Look at it this way, how can you apply the sinking ship analogy to Kabuto? You brought the DVD right? Which means the series ended, and it sells. So again, it reached its story ending and it has fans, so it didn't end abruptly, and it still has a fanbase. So no, it's not going to sink. :laugh:

Funny, everyone else seems to have understood me but you. Let's rewind; the original poster asks, "I don't enjoy Kamen Rider Kabuto and I'm X amount of episodes in. Should I continue watching Kamen Rider Kabuto?" To which I replied...

Everyone? I don't see anybody. :rofl: As far as we can see, the 2 people who have posted recently agrees with me (minus King Ranger of course since he's part of the argument), and sees that what you've said is the root of all of this mess.

Now, obviously this was in regards to Kabuto specifically, (otherwise I would not have replied in this thread) NOT Kamen Rider as a whole. That...that is the point you missed from the get-go, spurring this big, boring, 90% off-topic debate (to which I have counter-pointed and proven you wrong on every instance).

You were the one who agreed with King Rangers post that watching something we don't like is stupid (which was his point as you can see since he pretty much brings it up when talking to me), and even adding that we're "proud captains of a sinking ship". Cause and effect.

 

[KouAidou]

I can understand the completionist mentality. I'm glad I read this thread, honestly, because I had nearly forgotten my days of wanting to watch all Yuusha series ever for the sake of comparison. I can understand why a person would want to force themselves through even the lesser series of a franchise, just because they like the basic formula and like seeing where different writers take it.

But at the end of the day, not everyone likes Kamen Rider for Kamen Rider's sake. Some people just like the franchise as a means to an end, as a thing that usually-but-not-always produces series that make for an entertaining watch. For those people, the idea of forcing yourself through a show that makes them miserable is going to seem completely baffling.

Even if you do want to see a series through for "objective" purposes, I have to wonder how much "objective viewing" the OP is going to get done with Kabuto. I mean, he says outright that he can't focus on what's going on because he's too busy feeling angry at the main character. Forcing yourself through a show that makes you feel like that doesn't breed intelligent discussion, it breeds burnout and hideous fuming rants of the sort that derail threads.

That said, feelings can change with time and context. It took me three false starts before I was able to get past the first episode of Ryuki. (What it eventually required was me being flat on my back with the flu, but still). If you really want to finish Kabuto for the sake of finishing it, maybe it would be best to put it down for a while and come back to it later, better prepared for the kind of show it's going to be.

 

[musashi03]

Even if you do want to see a series through for "objective" purposes, I have to wonder how much "objective viewing" the OP is going to get done with Kabuto. I mean, he says outright that he can't focus on what's going on because he's too busy feeling angry at the main character. Forcing yourself through a show that makes you feel like that doesn't breed intelligent discussion, it breeds burnout and hideous fuming rants of the sort that derail threads.

Regarding Kiva, I hated it to its guts... Every episode since episode 1 was really silly for me, nothing was catching my interest. I remember stopping at episode 20 or so, back then, Otoya was still a goofball which entertained me a lot, but not enough to keep me watching it... So I stopped and watched something else. A few weeks later, Decade showed up, having a pilot episode with Wataru in it. I was like, 'WTF?!'... So I jumped to Kiva again and continue the show until the end to see how things led from Kiva to Decade. I still hated it at first, but then I saw Otoya's transformation which really caught me by surprise. It made me glad I finished Kiva even though a lot of you may know that I still hate it. I'm just saying that there are some cases that completing a show you don't like can end up having a small bright side. Now, I have a new profound look on Kiva even if it's one of the shows I hate, but I have something that I like about it which I can share.

For me, that beats any judgment rendered without seeing the whole portrait.

 

[KouAidou]

That sounds about like my feelings on Ryuki, and I'll note that it seems like you basically did the same thing I did -- you dropped it until you found a context that made it worth watching for you.

I mean, I still don't like Ryuki at all -- I think watching it mostly proved most of my assumptions based on the first episode correct -- but at least I feel like my opinion is a lot more nuanced than it was when I first said "slapdash and toyetic, pass." And it's certainly easier for me to engage in a reasonable conversation with genuine fans of the show.

On the other hand, it can be extremely irritating to watch a person go through a show and do nothing but complain about how bad it is and how miserable it's making them, as if someone held a gun up to their head and forced them to do it. IMO, that's every bit as bad as the people who will go into a Talk Up thread and bitch about a show based on five episodes of watching.

Obviously, not everyone who watches with a completist mindset behaves like that. But by the same token, plenty of people who only watch the series that interest them are happy to stay out of conversations about the series they don't like. I think it's okay for people to choose their own path, so long as they do it with their limits and interests in mind and are basically civilized about their choice.

 

[musashi03]

That sounds about like my feelings on Ryuki, and I'll note that it seems like you basically did the same thing I did -- you dropped it until you found a context that made it worth watching for you.

I mean, I still don't like Ryuki at all -- I think watching it mostly proved most of my assumptions based on the first episode correct -- but at least I feel like my opinion is a lot more nuanced than it was when I first said "slapdash and toyetic, pass." And it's certainly easier for me to engage in a reasonable conversation with genuine fans of the show.

On the other hand, it can be extremely irritating to watch a person go through a show and do nothing but complain about how bad it is and how miserable it's making them, as if someone held a gun up to their head and forced them to do it. IMO, that's every bit as bad as the people who will go into a Talk Up thread and bitch about a show based on five episodes of watching.

Obviously, not everyone who watches with a completist mindset behaves like that. But by the same token, plenty of people who only watch the series that interest them are happy to stay out of conversations about the series they don't like. I think it's okay for people to choose their own path, so long as they do it with their limits and interests in mind and are basically civilized about their choice.

You just stole the words right out of my mouth. :thumbs:

 

[Forever Knight]

In all the time the guy wasted reading everyone bickering back and forth in this thread he could have completed Kabuto by now.

Just go and watch it.