Riders Series' Direction

[big_j_ny]

I am willing to believe that Toei would have preferred if Decade was just an empty, walking suit.
Almost every episode of Decade felt like the writers were saying "We should get Tsukasa to transform as fast as possible. Just give him some dialogue and make him say Henshin"

For some reason, I feel the same way. I mean, I still am a fan of the Decade series........but it still has burned me in a bad way with how they "attempted" to create a storyline out of Tsukasa and all the other main characters in that group, when they weren't even trying hard enough.

I prolly would have cut Toei some slack if they just let Decade be some "nameless" soul inside of a Decade suit, and we never see him outside of the suit at all. That would have made for a great TV SPECIAL for Kamen Rider, but Toei wanted to make a TV SERIES :redface2:

 

[Lynxara]

In retrospect Decade, to me, feels like Toei experimenting with creating a Rider stage show in TV/film format. A lot of the stuff that bugged me in Decade wouldn't have surprised me even slightly in a stage show.

 

[MrMonk]

The problem with Decade is not only because of the lack of original actors. During the early rumours, many people, including myself, hoped that Decade would focus on the original stories and tell us what happened afterwards. It was a big opportunity for the writers to give shows like Faiz a proper ending and cover up some of the plot holes that had been left previously.

That was never going to happen, as Toei cares about the consumers right now, and not those that watched previous shows (Den-O remaining an exception). I could see getting the originals in the alternate universes before I could see that.

And would you have taken a Faiz two-parter with Kento and none of his original supporting cast?

 

[Khaiden]

To be honest, that's really what Toei (and in true essence, Bandai) wanted to accomplish all along. Toei may have cared about the "older Rider fans," but not enough to bring back all the actual characters.

It's more financially beneficial for Toei/Bandai to just say "hey old school Rider fans, we'll team-up all the Riders together again like we use to, but only in suit-form because we're too damn cheap to pay the big names to come back and play their characters again."

It's a shitty way of looking at it, and it prolly has offended more old school Rider fans in the process........but Toei/Bandai are some cheap bastards at the end of the day. Them and their mediocre level CGI :disappoin

I hope you mean this for the Riders from Kuuga to Kiva, because there's a dozen reasons why the Showa ones couldn't come back.

Although there's still the unforgivable voice acting in All Riders.
Toei DOES owe Hayami Ryo a BIG apology.
And there's still the FAKE advertising of Fujioka Hiroshi, Sasaki Takeshi and Miyauchi Hiroshi coming back to voice their characters.
...

The problem is that some of these actors don't want to come back, even if they were offered a lot of money. It's mostly those who careers picked up after toku.

While others might want to, except they're contracted to different projects or want more money.

Speaking of Joe Odagiri, who played Godai. He was asked in a magazine if he would ever play that role again. He said no, due to it being difficult.

This too.

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I do agree with all of this though, Decade had a lot of wasted potential.

And would you have taken a Faiz two-parter with Kento and none of his original supporting cast?

Yes.

 

[Digifiend]

I frankly don't like the idea of connecting all the Heisei shows. If they had done that from the beginning, that would be one thing. But the shows are all so different from each other in terms of setting and lores (some of which contradict each other) that placing them all in one universe is absurd.

They didn't, it's a multiverse.

Damnit, Decade should've been 50 EP right from the start!

They could've used the 2nd half to flush out Decade a bit more...

With what? What other worlds could he have visited? Kamen Rider V3? Go-onger? I certainly can't think of enough for an extra 18 episodes (we need nine more worlds, and all the Showa KR ones are technically the same world).

Huh. How does Decade tie everything back to the Showa era?

Because it featured Kamen Rider Black and Amazon, who are from the Showa era.

I hope you mean this for the Riders from Kuuga to Kiva, because there's a dozen reasons why the Showa ones couldn't come back.

Yeah, they're either too aged, or dead.

 

[MrMonk]

Yes.

Whole can of worms personally. I think they could've brought them back for All Riders, but for the show? The format would be completely different without wondering where their supporting casts and other Riders were. Can't see it working.

 

[NeonZ]

That was never going to happen, as Toei cares about the consumers right now, and not those that watched previous shows (Den-O remaining an exception). I could see getting the originals in the alternate universes before I could see that.

Even Den-O, although really close to the original version, still blatantly glossed over things. In fact, each further sequel just creates more plotholes usually, if you think this is following the original timeline completely, like no explanation for the return of the Imagins or the disappearance of the multiple Den-O belts from Final Countdown.

Really, not even the Showa series attempted to do that. I don't think there has ever been a real explanation shown on screen for Riderman's survival at the end of V3. Even if, by a miracle, they brought back every original actor, "plotholes" wouldn't be filled.

There's just no incentive to completely derail a current production just to fix flaws of one that has already ended. The number of people who would care about that would be too low.

Although there's still the unforgivable voice acting in All Riders.

It's not the first time Toei does that. In fact, the last big team up that featured every previous actor was the one in Stronger. Afterwards, old cast could return for a smaller team up with one or two Riders, but bigger ones always featured almost everyone recasted. That goes for Skyrider, Super-1's movie, ZX (3 returning, one of them from the last tv series, 6 suits) and RX.

 

[Khaiden]

Whole can of worms personally. I think they could've brought them back for All Riders, but for the show? The format would be completely different without wondering where their supporting casts and other Riders were. Can't see it working.

Hmm, I don't see how it's necessary, the audience will be left to ponder where the hell are those, but as long as the main heroes are there I think we're good to go.
Well, that's how I feel, I don't really think that applies to a general audience.
I mean, if we can have Ichigo, Nigo, V3, Riderman, X, Amazon & Stronger without any explanation of where is Tachibana Tobei, what's so wrong with not having Gattack or IXA?

It's not the first time Toei does that. In fact, the last big team up that featured every previous actor was the one in Stronger. Afterwards, old cast could return for a smaller team up with one or two Riders, but bigger ones always featured almost everyone recasted. That goes for Skyrider, Super-1's movie, ZX (3 returning, one of them from the last tv series, 6 suits) and RX.

I'm aware of this, what I meant though...

Toei had the first three actors in their press releases, and they were advertised as having returned for their roles, yet when the movie came, none of them did any voice acting. That's just unforgivable.
Hayami Ryo wrote something in his blog (or somewhere else), about being surprised that Toei didn't contact him at all, he expressed that he wanted to voice his character and was hoping they would call him if X had a return.
But they didn't give a damn.
Those were very, very bad moves on behalf of Toei.

 

[NeonZ]

Well, that's how I feel, I don't really think that applies to a general audience. I mean, if we can have Ichigo, Nigo, V3, Riderman, X, Amazon & Stronger without any explanation of where is Tachibana Tobei, what's so wrong with not having Gattack or IXA?

I really don't think they could have carried on the entire series like that. Look at the Black RX World. Original actor was there, with none of his supporting cast, besides mentions of a Kasumi no Joe who was never on screen . It had, by far, the blandest setting out of every world shown, and only worked because there was story development there (Dai-Shocker's introduction).

If the same had been done to other Riders, I can only see the Decade series suffering more. There's also the problem regarding the antagonists. They wouldn't be able to reuse previous antagonists without resorting to a "every previous monsters resurrects" plot every week, which would get old fast.

I'd have liked to see more of the originals. There was certainly enough space for it (the Nega World arc could have been used for it, and Last Story also could have used it, although I guess the problem there was length).

Alternatively, I guess visiting the original universes, even with cast deficiencies, could work if they had an original enemy faction alongside one new monster from each world.

That way, they'd have enough antagonists for the constant team ups, but each world could still keep some uniqueness. Although, I guess they didn't even consider an idea like that for Decade.

Toei had the first three actors in their press releases, and they were advertised as having returned for their roles, yet when the movie came, none of them did any voice acting. That's just unforgivable.

They participated in brief features for the marketing campaign of the movie (Stronger's and ZX's actors also were in at least one feature), but it was never explicitly said that they'd be voicing their original roles again... people just assumed that they would because it seemed like a logical conclusion. If they were involved in marketing it, getting them to record a few voice clips was logical. Although, apparently, Toei thought differently.

 

[SamuraiEchidna]

Funny we should all be mentioning Bandai and merchandising sales.

There use to be a running joke that all Heisei era Riders were just a reason to sell toys and make a profit. Well...
If no body believed that before, Decade officially became the proof.

With what? What other worlds could he have visited? Kamen Rider V3? Go-onger? I certainly can't think of enough for an extra 18 episodes (we need nine more worlds, and all the Showa KR ones are technically the same world).

I think Dark Kabuto meant that having more episodes would give us time to flush out Decade's origin story better and maybe put to rest some of the things that were never answered. Like when Kaito first appeared and he kept asking Tsukasa if he had some food yet (the name of the food excapes me right now...). That's something that never got fully addressed. Heck, with more episodes, we could have gotten an origin story that actually MADE SENSE.