power aquirering in kamen rider

Yes, but that doesn't explain as to why Jet Li was the only one having that effect. Anybody could have been stronger because of a death of their version from an alternate universe. Even those who were chasing Evil Jet Li, some of those guys could have been stronger than anybody else, yet it seems they are all just the same level since it seems their AU counterparts were A-OK.
Everyone in the movie was A-OK. Upon their death, their alternates got a little kickstart, and that was that.

Anyone outside that? It would work much like it did for Jet Li. Because those are the established rules. As set forth in the movie. By the characters, their action, and the exposition.

Yes, it was about Jet Li... Same as the Perfect Zecter, Kabuto was about Kagami actually.
Kabuto was not about the Perfect Zecter.

Which will make any man stronger than anybody else still, since everybody else's water level seems to be the same as if no other version of themselves has died yet other than Jet Li's.
122 versions had to die to get to the power level they sported in the movie.

It was foreshadowed in Kabuto too, having an unexplained appearance of Hyper Kabuto, then they thought he came from the future. Then came Hyper Zecter who went through time, which may have been the same case for Perfect Zecter, we just haven't reached the time where it was created yet unlike the Hyper Zecter.
The Hyper Zecter was destroyed in our time. I'm assuming some alternate reality shenanigans there, but again, it's never explained.

So somebody having superhuman strength than anybody else for no reason at all is not a problem? If you see somebody as thin as the stick man carry a truck, that wouldn't warrant some multiverse investigation since it is definitely an imbalanced effect between the multiverse?
They seemed to only care about the murder. In fact, if evil Li hadn't escaped they probably wouldn't have bothered the last Li at all.

See, now that is an assumption.

Well, there, you're assuming, same as in Kabuto, we can assume all we want as to the origins of Perfect Zecter right?
So what's the consistent rule behind the Perfect Zecter praytell?

The rule they stated within the show. Go ahead.

Yep, but logic still has flaws.
Do tell.

Well, I did say I considered it as "Perfect" because of its perfect timing, it only took what it needed to take, it only appeared when it needed to appear.
Still waiting on the exposition behind this theory.

Anyways, I'm letting this one drop. You're trying to prove a point, but you're quite off it right now. And since you're not moving, it's mostly a waste of time to continue.
 
Everyone in the movie was A-OK. Upon their death, their alternates got a little kickstart, and that was that.

Anyone outside that? It would work much like it did for Jet Li. Because those are the established rules. As set forth in the movie. By the characters, their action, and the exposition.

Yes, then why haven't they encountered any other than Jet Li? Those guys chasing him had no other dead alternates? For all we know, some of those guys had 100+ dead alternates already, yet they are all "normal" while Jet Li is not.

Kabuto was not about the Perfect Zecter.

Yep, that's what I said, that is why I wonder why people are really pissed about the Perfect Zecter, it is just there for its reason, which is to kill worms with the use of other zecters which are not being used importantly at the moment.

122 versions had to die to get to the power level they sported in the movie.

Which is very powerful, subtract 50 from those deaths, I assure you Jet Li would still be powerful, for him to have been able to evade the multiverse cops that much.

Yes that is an assumption, which is ok to have in stories like The One and Kabuto. We can assume the Perfect Zecter came from the future, a different universe, a different dimension, etc.

The Hyper Zecter was destroyed in our time. I'm assuming some alternate reality shenanigans there, but again, it's never explained.

Yes, which is my point. Things like these are the basis of the movie, the "alternate shenanigans" you are saying. It just so happens we saw the Hyper Zecter in that time, Perfect Zecter could have been made some time in the future.

They seemed to only care about the murder. In fact, if evil Li hadn't escaped they probably wouldn't have bothered the last Li at all.

See, now that is an assumption.


Which is the flaw in the story, it is just the murder? Not the imbalance it created? So technically in their "multiverse", anybody can have superhuman strength from a death of an AU version, but that's OK as long as that person didn't kill his AU versions right?

So what's the consistent rule behind the Perfect Zecter praytell?

The rule they stated within the show. Go ahead.

Still waiting on the exposition behind this theory.

That its origins are also a mystery, that's the rule. We couldn't know since we haven't reached the moment in time when we should know. That's what I get from Kabuto, they never knew what the **** was the Hyper Kabuto until Tendou became it.

Anyways, I'm letting this one drop. You're trying to prove a point, but you're quite off it right now. And since you're not moving, it's mostly a waste of time to continue.

You failed to see my point, my point was, you can bring as much answers as you want with The One, but it still doesn't save it from its flaws. Same as Kabuto, people can complain all they long about its flaws, but people also have answer for those.

That was my point from the beginning, and you constantly trying to answer the flaws in The One just proves my point even more... Here:

See, all of these flicks have issues of their own, yet you ignore it because it will be pointless. Same as in Kabuto.

Meaning, you can apply the same attitude with what you have with The One with Kabuto. You saw answers to what I found were flaws in The One, and I saw answers to what you found were flaws with Kabuto. It is not necessary that we agree on each other's answers, but bottom line is there is an answer, be it a personal interpretation, an assumption, etc.
 
Sigh. They feign enough importance in the episodes that it came in, that it should've appeared prior to them. That's the point. It's supposedly installed on every Zecter and yet Drake had no issues with Rena. Or Gattack and his conflict with Sasword in his Worm form.

Wasn't it just Kabuto's and Gattack's Zecter? In any case, Kabuto was around some worms without attacking them during more than 30 episodes before it was activated -once-. That's much more time than either Drake or Gattack were around worms. Rena was around only for a few episodes, and Kagami didn't even stay around Tsurugi for too long.

Really, I can't happen but see this criticism as "the series didn't do what I wanted it to do, so the series is bad." There's no solid basis behind it.
 
i think what this is, is that the writers and the designers who are building this stuff plan something out but due to schedual and plot changes get shelved and what we keep seeing is thier desperate attempts to shoe horn them into the plot
 
i think what this is, is that the writers and the designers who are building this stuff plan something out but due to schedual and plot changes get shelved and what we keep seeing is thier desperate attempts to shoe horn them into the plot

Especially when there are producers & executives breathing down their necks. If the writers had their way, they would write out a detailed storyline.
 
ya im betting thats the real reason for plot holes its probably things like basher fever and ixa's unused fake fussles you can tell if you own some of the toys -ive got the ixa calibur its got the same slot in the bottom to fit tanzelot into it im betting they were planing to make something similar for ixa or some episode was going to have something involving it but they never did it but it was still part of the blueprints for the toy. The same is true of things that seem like a good idea but just don't ever get used like a king form for garren and leangel or any of the other stuff
 
I am totally sympathetic to the idea of demands of production screwing up a person's carefully planned story.

Sadly, that doesn't actually make it a better story.
 
Didn't they have more plot going to Kabuto? I hear that because Yui Satonaka (Hiyori's actress) had health problems, they had to do a lot of changes. Or something like that.
 
ive noticed that lately there has been a trend in kamen rider of collecting powers and it seems its getting to be a more involved aspect of the story

it stated with kuuga getting 3 different forms then upgrading those and so on then it was ryuki were some of the riders got new cards or took other riders monsters and got their powers as well-oujai, and again in den o he started collecting the monsters getting a total of 5 if you count seig. Finaly the last was kamen rider decade and his card collecting. Now the latest kamen rider is about to do the same ooo who follows the ryukendo principle of each monster having an item of power within them that can be used by our protaganist


it seems that collecting is becoming more and more a part of series i like in general

your thoughs

Yeah its probably for the sales. I actually enjoy it more when they just do a bunch of riders instead of a bunch of forms.
 

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