Old vs new p2

[bigone]

Ok so your one of the older member in this site but do you really thing you've seen 99% of anime from before 2000? Honestly? You'd have to be way older for that! There's no way you could watch every animated show on every channel in Japan. Not to mention having a job, social life, or even going out side the house and guess what you don't know anything. You think you do because you've spent all your time watching show after show but it's not the animation itself that matters and yes some shows have fillers but it's what the shows teach you that count and yes of course the old shows came up with classic plot twist first but every type of show and movie animated or not copy them now it's how well there executed that counts. I'm not saying every new show is better than the older ones and of course there are classics that are far better than what we have now but not seeing the value in new shows just makes you an old man who's stuck in the past.

in actuality i have a Job im not ken kubo or Densha otoko
and when i say 99% i man stuff made from 1960 to 2000 dont gets me Wrong but B/W anime is Very hard to find anywhere but to the Momotarou fanchise is nice


showing my age again my 1st manga was sazane san 4Kona newspaper Strip if that helps i also do read newer manga the last one i completed was Tetsuko no Tabi

 

[Icefish]

Ok so your one of the older member in this site but do you really thing you've seen 99% of anime from before 2000? Honestly? You'd have to be way older for that! There's no way you could watch every animated show on every channel in Japan. Not to mention having a job, social life, or even going out side the house and guess what you don't know anything. You think you do because you've spent all your time watching show after show but it's not the animation itself that matters and yes some shows have fillers but it's what the shows teach you that count and yes of course the old shows came up with classic plot twist first but every type of show and movie animated or not copy them now it's how well there executed that counts. I'm not saying every new show is better than the older ones and of course there are classics that are far better than what we have now but not seeing the value in new shows just makes you an old man who's stuck in the past.

That was...wow. That was something.

 

[Gryphman]

You said some really dumb things, but I will agree that the Japanese animation industry kind of sucks right now. There are 3 big problems that I can think of off the top of my head.

1: Pandering far too much to the creepiest part of the otaku comunity. There are just way too many shows aimed at those people who collect cute girl figures.

2: There are just way too many shows, period. The ammount of new anime series in Japan is just plain ludicrous. 80% get a single season to cash in on product sales, and then you never hear from them again.

3: Anime based on manga. This is probably the worst problem, and the one that pisses me off the most. It's just plain lazy. It's one thing we do significantly better over here. When we make shows based on comics, we actually put some fucking effort into it. Sure they'll use the basic plots from certain issues, but overall it's an original story. For some insane reason, this is apparently a bad thing, in Japan. If it's not exactly like the comic, then everyone thinks it sucks. Due to this, you either get a series that just stops with no resolution, a series with 50 billion filler episodes that go nowhere, or Dragonball Z.

 

[Sage Shinigami]

3: Anime based on manga. This is probably the worst problem, and the one that pisses me off the most. It's just plain lazy. It's one thing we do significantly better over here. When we make shows based on comics, we actually put some fucking effort into it. Sure they'll use the basic plots from certain issues, but overall it's an original story. For some insane reason, this is apparently a bad thing, in Japan. If it's not exactly like the comic, then everyone thinks it sucks. Due to this, you either get a series that just stops with no resolution, a series with 50 billion filler episodes that go nowhere, or Dragonball Z.

....I like it better their way.

Edit: Actually, on that note...it takes a special kind of stupidity to "adapt" a story and make unnecessary changes for the sole reasoning of "you already read the original story".

It's one thing to make a Batman: TAS or a Superman: TAS, where they strip down the concepts of these characters and introduce them into a new continuity, only really using the hero and his/her rogues and supporting cast--it's quite another to create something like Superman/Doomsday.

 

[Dark Kabuto]

Wow... I couldn't understand a thing you just said.:sly:

Are you REALLY surprised at this point? :redface2:

 

[bigone]

You said some really dumb things, but I will agree that the Japanese animation industry kind of sucks right now. There are 3 big problems that I can think of off the top of my head.

1: Pandering far too much to the creepiest part of the otaku comunity. There are just way too many shows aimed at those people who collect cute girl figures.

2: There are just way too many shows, period. The ammount of new anime series in Japan is just plain ludicrous. 80% get a single season to cash in on product sales, and then you never hear from them again.

3: Anime based on manga. This is probably the worst problem, and the one that pisses me off the most. It's just plain lazy. It's one thing we do significantly better over here. When we make shows based on comics, we actually put some fucking effort into it. Sure they'll use the basic plots from certain issues, but overall it's an original story. For some insane reason, this is apparently a bad thing, in Japan. If it's not exactly like the comic, then everyone thinks it sucks. Due to this, you either get a series that just stops with no resolution, a series with 50 billion filler episodes that go nowhere, or Dragonball Z.

1 you Speak sense young sir

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thats rich Coming ffrom a Toku fan Toku has Always been a shill but since Gao Ranger its became even worse of a Shill

3
READ the DBZ manga and you will see chapter count and episode count and content there of is one in the same so NO filler

i llke the Kenshin anime up to the last 2 arcs

i admit is not a new thing but the pacing is main stream anime is Horrible between but doing between 2 1/2 to 4 Chapters per episode will make filler a dead stone cold fact of life

 

[Oedipus 3000]

I've always hated the entire argument of "Old vs New" since half the time you're just arguing over opinions of people veiwing things through nostalgia glasses. each decade of any form of media is influenced by the popular trends of that time and hence some things will florish while others whither. when you're arguing that, say, cinema back in the sixties were better then the movies nowadays because "actors knew how to act" and "it wasn't pandering to teenage boys" you're basically nit-picking the argument by using you point of view. Age changes your perspective in radical ways.

I'm not condoning that time old tradition of "it's opinions" as a form of argument (Honestly I've always seen it as just a pathetic way of defending an entertainment you yourself enjoy without putting effort into defending it.) but in this case, yes it is.

For our case of argument: I can argue as much as I can that cartoons of the eighties were so much better then the cartoons of this generation. My viewpoint is obviously biased since I grew up in the eighties and I still have my nostalgia goggles on. when those children grow up they will see their cartoons the same way as I see Saint Seiya, Jaspion and thundercats.

Back in the seventies, the super robot genre flooded the Anime industry and most of those shows didn't even put up enough variety to really stand out from each other until Gundam came out and created the real robot genre. During the eighties (the macho man era.) boy toy stuff dominated and you couldn't turn around without seeing a show where people were getting royally punched in the face. then in the eighties we saw Evangelion do a watchmen and create numerous shows trying to royally rip them off.

You see this in multiple fandoms everywhere and sometimes I wholeheartedly agree (Video games definately.) I still have to remember this is most likely just coming from an old crotchety man who wants my stuff the way it was.

 

[bigone]

I've always hated the entire argument of "Old vs New" since half the time you're just arguing over opinions of people veiwing things through nostalgia glasses. each decade of any form of media is influenced by the popular trends of that time and hence some things will florish while others whither. when you're arguing that, say, cinema back in the sixties were better then the movies nowadays because "actors knew how to act" and "it wasn't pandering to teenage boys" you're basically nit-picking the argument by using you point of view. Age changes your perspective in radical ways.

I'm not condoning that time old tradition of "it's opinions" as a form of argument (Honestly I've always seen it as just a pathetic way of defending an entertainment you yourself enjoy without putting effort into defending it.) but in this case, yes it is.

For our case of argument: I can argue as much as I can that cartoons of the eighties were so much better then the cartoons of this generation. My viewpoint is obviously biased since I grew up in the eighties and I still have my nostalgia goggles on. when those children grow up they will see their cartoons the same way as I see Saint Seiya, Jaspion and thundercats.

Back in the seventies, the super robot genre flooded the Anime industry and most of those shows didn't even put up enough variety to really stand out from each other until Gundam came out and created the real robot genre. During the eighties (the macho man era.) boy toy stuff dominated and you couldn't turn around without seeing a show where people were getting royally punched in the face. then in the eighties we saw Evangelion do a watchmen and create numerous shows trying to royally rip them off.

You see this in multiple fandoms everywhere and sometimes I wholeheartedly agree (Video games definately.) I still have to remember this is most likely just coming from an old crotchety man who wants my stuff the way it was.

But super boy prime we are not lol

and i agree what you say about eva

Boy toy stuff HuH and how old are you

 

[KingRanger]

1 you Speak sense young sir

2
thats rich Coming ffrom a Toku fan Toku has Always been a shill but since Gao Ranger its became even worse of a Shill

3
READ the DBZ manga and you will see chapter count and episode count and content there of is one in the same so NO filler

i llke the Kenshin anime up to the last 2 arcs

i admit is not a new thing but the pacing is main stream anime is Horrible between but doing between 2 1/2 to 4 Chapters per episode will make filler a dead stone cold fact of life

If you think toku has always been a "shill" as you call it, then you have no idea what you are talking about.

Anyone that says DBZ didn't have tons of filler is either stupid or they didn't watch it. What do you think Kai is? It's DBZ with out the filler.

 

[Gryphman]

....I like it better their way.

Edit: Actually, on that note...it takes a special kind of stupidity to "adapt" a story and make unnecessary changes for the sole reasoning of "you already read the original story".

It's one thing to make a Batman: TAS or a Superman: TAS, where they strip down the concepts of these characters and introduce them into a new continuity, only really using the hero and his/her rogues and supporting cast--it's quite another to create something like Superman/Doomsday.

That's good, because I'm talking about tv shows, not movies. 90s X-Men and Spider-man, Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS, Justice League, Teen Titans, X-Men: Evolution, Wolverine and the X-Men, Spectacular Spider-man, and the upcoming Avengers and Young Justice. Those are just some of the examples of how you adapt comics into cartoons.

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READ the DBZ manga and you will see chapter count and episode count and content there of is one in the same so NO filler

I have to strongly disagree with you on this. The fact they did Kai pretty much proves my point. DBZ had horribly decompressed storytelling. There are countless episodes where nothing at all happens. I've read various chapters of the manga, and have seen where they've taken one chapter and spread it out to 2-3 episodes.