Ninninger or "does Toei really want to make sentai worse and worse year after year"?

[Black Fang]

Why do people hate wacky and crazy in a kids' show anyway.

I don't like what Toei considers wacky and crazy. Present-day Toei, anyway.

Last I checked, Cartoon Network is filled with that stuff. Even shows like Regular Show and Adventure Time are more wacky than Sentai.

I don't watch Cartoon Network. I don't even have cable.

Honestly I didn't even like the Animaniacs as a kid. (Though I did enjoy their show within a show, Pinky and The Brain.)

 

[kuroihikari]

And what's wrong with "something you would see in the Brady Bunch", exactly? If you've seen any Japanese shows, especially school and family ones, Magiranger's beating over your head of its family theme is way tame in comparison. Heck any standard fare shounen (OP, Naruto, Fairy Tail) has more magical nakama power than Magiranger's family aspect.

I don't like what Toei considers wacky and crazy. Present-day Toei, anyway.

I don't watch Cartoon Network. I don't even have cable.

Honestly I didn't even like the Animaniacs as a kid. (Though I did enjoy their show within a show, Pinky and The Brain.)

Well, now you know how out-of-the-times you are.

I think it's important to recognize the context of the shows you're watching when judging them. I can't say that Showa Rider was godawful because of the seriously bad special effects because those were the best they could do for their time.

 

[Black Fang]

^ So what if I'm "out of the times"? Why do I have to be "in the times"? Can't I just not like what's "in" because I just don't consider it good?

Comparing modern Toei's cartoonishness to 70s Riders' special effects doesn't make much sense either, since as you said, the latter was "the best they could do". You're not saying Toei is being forced to go a silly route with their tokus because they have no alternative, are you?

BTW, my dislike of Magiranger has nothing to do with its family aspect. That's Ms. Coconut's purview.

 

[kuroihikari]

^ So what if I'm "out of the times"? Why do I have to be "in the times"? Can't I just not like what's "in" because I just don't consider it good?

Comparing modern Toei's cartoonishness to 70s Riders' special effects doesn't make much sense either, since as you said, the latter was "the best they could do". You're not saying Toei is being forced to go a silly route with their tokus because they have no alternative, are you?

No, it means you're judging it out of context. I.E. You don't understand the context it was produced in. It's a kids show produced in this entertainment environment Japan has today. Criticizing its silliness because it doesn't conform to your 20-ish year old sense of humour will never turn out well.

Toei wasn't forced to use bad special effects in the '80s either. But they did because they had to if they wanted to.

BTW, my dislike of Magiranger has nothing to do with its family aspect. That's Ms. Coconut's purview.

That wasn't addressed to you. You posted right before my post got in.

 

[Dr Kain]

I don't care if it is produced in 1970, 1999, or 2015, terrible writing is still terrible writing. The quality of the effects have no barring on how good or bad the story telling and character development is.

BTW, the silliness is not the problem. All Sentai has silliness in it. It is how it is written into the context of the show that makes or breaks it. Even the shows that were way serious like Dairanger knew how to add silliness to the show without making it feel forced or over the top.

 

[lazycoconut]

I have no problem with Magiranger promoting family. It is that the show promotes only one type of family as "good" and "normal", and paints an unrealistically rosy image of family life. In the context of Magiranger, everyone's heterosexual, everyone finds their "true love" by 25 at the latest, gets married, has a bunch of children, and lives happily ever after. No one divorces, no one's unhappy in the long term, no one's estranged from their family, no one has problems that make life harder (such as a disabled child), etc. Children know that the world isn't like this, and they are often acutely self-conscious of others seeing something "wrong" with them because of their family situation.

I know that some people have similar views about the portrayal of friendship in shows like Fourze and in a lot of shounen series. That may indeed be the case. It's just less of a personal hot button for me.

 

[Black Fang]

I have no problem with Magiranger promoting family. It is that the show promotes only one type of family as "good" and "normal", and paints an unrealistically rosy image of family life. In the context of Magiranger, everyone's heterosexual, everyone finds their "true love" by 25 at the latest, gets married, has a bunch of children, and lives happily ever after. No one divorces, no one's unhappy in the long term, no one's estranged from their family, no one has problems that make life harder (such as a disabled child), etc.

Um, isn't this a show for children? That's what everyone keeps saying. I thought we didn't want to have so much "adult" stuff in shows that are made for kindergarteners.

Children know that the world isn't like this, and they are often acutely self-conscious of others seeing something "wrong" with them because of their family situation.

Even in the days of "Father Knows Best" and "Leave it to Beaver" there were families who weren't like that. So what? The answer is not to stop promoting the best and bringing everyone down to the same "miserable" level. Just because some kids have divorced or deceased parents doesn't mean "families should have a married mother and father" is a bad thing to endorse. This thinking of yours is just silly at best, harmful at worst.

 

[lazycoconut]

Um, isn't this a show for children? That's what everyone keeps saying. I thought we didn't want to have so much "adult" stuff in shows that are made for kindergarteners.

It doesn't need to be handled in an adult way nor to be needlessly depressing. You praise Go-Busters for its supposed maturity; do you think it's inappropriate for children because it shows two of the heroes losing their parents?

Even in the days of "Father Knows Best" and "Leave it to Beaver" there were families who weren't like that. So what? The answer is not to stop promoting the best and bringing everyone down to the same "miserable" level. Just because some kids have divorced or deceased parents doesn't mean "families should have a married mother and father" is a bad thing to endorse. This thinking of yours is just silly at best, harmful at worst.

Magiranger doesn't just say "it's good for families to have a married mother and father." It promotes an artificially perfect image of marriage and family life and constantly reinforces it. I don't think that's helpful or healthy for children at all. I like it that Ninninger shows a different type of family and the characters having a life outside of the family.

 

[Black Fang]

You praise Go-Busters for its supposed maturity

I praise Go-Busters for being a nice throwback to 90s Sentai.

Magiranger doesn't just say "it's good for families to have a married mother and father." It promotes an artificially perfect image of marriage and family life and constantly reinforces it.

Granted I never finished Magiranger so I can't 100% confirm or deny this statement, but (no offense) I don't trust your portrayal here. I'd have to go back and watch the show again from beginning to end to verify this.

But something tells me I may not agree with you (big shock). The show starts off with the Ozus' father working for the bad guys and their mother "dying". That's hardly idyllic.

 

[Dr Kain]

Uh no, just no. As a huge fan of the Sentai shows of the 90s, calling Go-Buster a throw back to them is an insult.

Unless you mean Ohranger, then yes, the show is as bland as Oh.