Matrix Trilogy Discussion

[Hariken]

I guess most here enjoy their action films dumb and loud. Most people I know that rag on the trilogy are the ones that didn't "get" it.

 

[Sage Shinigami]

I guess most here enjoy their action films dumb and loud. Most people I know that rag on the trilogy are the ones that didn't "get" it.

Oh jeez....please, please don't trot out that old excuse.

"You don't like it because it has a deeper plotline."

or

"You just didn't 'get' it."

No, no, I "got" it. Even read a few essays on "it". "Getting" it doesn't mean I have to LIKE it. Why don't I? Check out NinjaJack's post. Any lengthy post I made detailing why #3 pissed me off can basically be summed up in that reply.

 

[Hariken]

I didn't specifically say "YOU" meaning anyone here did I? I said most people I KNOW. If you don't like it then you don't like it. ...and I read NinjaJack's post... I didn't "get" it. :redface2: Please... explain your reasons for disliking it. I'd like to hear it.

 

[Kyusaku]

Matrix was pretty dumb and loud, just because you have a convoluted storyline, doesn't exactly make it intelligent. I got the films, I just didn't want what it had. The first one wasn't terrible, but 2 and 3 threw out so many things the first one had set in the story, it really screwed things up and ruined so many things. Matrix was fine as its own entity, they shouldn't have bothered with the sequels.

 

[Hariken]

The first one wasn't terrible, but 2 and 3 threw out so many things the first one had set in the story, it really screwed things up and ruined so many things. Matrix was fine as its own entity, they shouldn't have bothered with the sequels.

Please explain though.... I sort of get what you're saying but I'd like to know what specifically was ruined. What? The Legend of "The One"? The Prophecy? Please explain in detail. Most just say... "Oh... the sequels sucked". Please... explain.

 

[Sage Shinigami]

I didn't specifically say "YOU" meaning anyone here did I? I said most people I KNOW. If you don't like it then you don't like it. ...and I read NinjaJack's post... I didn't "get" it. :redface2: Please... explain your reasons for disliking it. I'd like to hear it.

I don't like 3. Waste of potential. Most people say both 2 AND 3 suck, but for being a poor rip of Invisibles, I thought 1 and 2 were pretty decent. The way they pissed on that bs mythical "One" theory was nice. But then in three...there were too many WTF moments.

Neo going blind: Was this even necessary? Did we REALLY need to go the "damaged/deformed prophet" route?

Smith coming back at all was ridiculous. 2 and 3 would've been better off without him. Let the dead stay dead, this ain't DBZ or comic books.

The battle with the machines. I was expecting the humans to pull a win out of their ass. Instead, and this is the worst part: THE MACHINES STILL HAVE CONTROL AT THE END.

I heard better theories for endings to the Matrix Trilogy in essays after Reloaded came out.

 

[Kyusaku]

Please explain though.... I sort of get what you're saying but I'd like to know what specifically was ruined. What? The Legend of "The One"? The Prophecy? Please explain in detail. Most just say... "Oh... the sequels sucked". Please... explain.

Ugh if I really want to go into detail I'd have to watch them again, the first and only times I saw them was when they premiered in the theaters(which was what, 3 years ago?), because friends wanted to go, never bothered to see the movies ever again. Been trying to block out those memories from my mind. The fact I'm so forgetful with them just shows how the films left no impression on me.

 

[Hariken]

Smith coming back at all was ridiculous. 2 and 3 would've been better off without him. Let the dead stay dead, this ain't DBZ or comic books.

But it is a movie.

Smith was a program. Not a flesh and blood human being so him refusing to go back to The Source and deciding to remain an exile in The Matrix is keeping in tone of what The Oracle told Neo. I didn't have a problem with it. Couldn't have had the burly brawl if he didn't return.

The battle with the machines. I was expecting the humans to pull a win out of their ass. Instead, and this is the worst part: THE MACHINES STILL HAVE CONTROL AT THE END.

My understanding of the ending is that now there's a truce between Humans and Machines. It's not like the Machines are going to go back to be subservient. They are their own race now. The Architect said that anyone who wanted out of the Matrix would be freed. Everything isn't going back to normal at the drop of a hat. I assume that a peaceful transition would take place to allow humans to once again inhabit and share the world with the machine race. The real world itself is still fucked up. The sky is still black and the issue that most people aren't ready to be unplugged from the Matrix still needs to be addressed. I actually like that there are still stories that could potentially be told.

Ugh if I really want to go into detail I'd have to watch them again, the first and only times I saw them was when they premiered in the theaters(which was what, 3 years ago?), because friends wanted to go, never bothered to see the movies ever again.

That's not really giving it much of a chance but I hear you. I didn't really like Revolutions at first because I was confused about some of the details but upon subsequent viewings came to understand and enjoy it much better. Somtimes I have to watch things again to fully appreciate them.

 

[Bolt]

I highly doubt The Matrix trilogy is too "deep" for anybody other than small children and those without sensory organs. Despite taking itself way too seriously and running more on cliche than ingenuity, they also made the mistake of absolutely forcing the Christ allegory down our throats (most people are ignorant, but damn, give us SOME credit). The Matrix crippled itself with its own convoluted story, plot abnormalities, and just really annoying characters. The only character that didn't make me want to hard boil my face was Ngai Sing as Seraph, and that was because hey, I like Ngai Sing. Of course I liked him better when he was fighting with Sammo and not Keanu Reeves' CGI stunt double, but what can you do.

And yeah, I like action movies as dumb and loud as I can get them. I can get pretentious plotlines elsewhere; when I see an ACTION movie I want some damn ACTION. That's why it's so sad that the ACTION genre is dead. Even thrillers these days are cross-labelled as "action."

 

[Hariken]

I highly doubt The Matrix trilogy is too "deep" for anybody other than small children and those without sensory organs.

I'll stop you right there because I've seen many grown men and women scratching their heads trying to wrap their minds around it.

Despite taking itself way too seriously and running more on cliche than ingenuity, they also made the mistake of absolutely forcing the Christ allegory down our throats (most people are ignorant, but damn, give us SOME credit). The Matrix crippled itself with its own convoluted story, plot abnormalities, and just really annoying characters. The only character that didn't make me want to hard boil my face was Ngai Sing as Seraph, and that was because hey, I like Ngai Sing. Of course I liked him better when he was fighting with Sammo and not Keanu Reeves' CGI stunt double, but what can you do.

Not your cup of tea, eh?

And yeah, I like action movies as dumb and loud as I can get them. I can get pretentious plotlines elsewhere; when I see an ACTION movie I want some damn ACTION.

...and this explains why. Thanks. :thumbs: