Kamen Rider x Super Sentai x Space Sheriff: Super Hero Taizen Z - Discussion Thread

Z was loads better than the first Superhero Taisen.

Focusing on a smaller amount of characters really helped. Yoko, Geki and Gai definitely felt like the main characters. A lot more focused plot made it way more enjoyable. Some of the secondary characters seemed out-of-character but I still enjoyed the interactions this time, especially between Gavan and GokaiSilver.

Way better action than the last one (minus the final battle). Enjoyed that most Sentai teams did their role-call. Also that wasn't actually Meteor?! Fricking amazing voice-over in that case.

Also I like the humour. Beet. J. Stag was hilarious, as was Nito. I was a little disappointed with the lack of Kyoryuger and Kamen Rider Wizard action but ah well. Still pretty good!
 
Definitely an improvement, though I am confused where Haruto went for half the movie as well.

I know people are probably still going 'They turned Retsu into a villain!!!!!!' but it's shown pretty clearly I thought that the decision to destroy Earth wasn't one he was happy to make even if he thought he had to for the sake of the universe (Because Madou would destroy the universe with their magic I think)

One thing I will say is felt like the villains, Space Komori Otoko and Space Ikadevil in particular, were defeated too quickly, and it would have been better to see the fights with them last a little longer (You'd have thought they'd have learnt not to go straight to Gokai Galleon buster at any rate)
 
From the Space Sheriffs' pov, Earth is one planet compared to the whole universe. Especially it was showed that magic was tearing it apart. Gai even told Geki that while the Gokaigers are not from Earth, they came to love it to where they will fight for it.

As far as execution, it was handled better than the first one. Since they now had an idea how to do it. While the Metal Hero Gokaiger Change was awesome, at the same time it was wasteful. Since they went to a lot of trouble remaking those suits for that one sceen. Hopefully they make better use of them during the next one.
 
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I really wasn't fond of this movie. And I actually liked the first SHT...

I dislike how they went back to the old formula of "other heroes suddenly appear for the final battle". It just makes no sense here. They talk about strange events happening throughout the universe, but everyone besides Wizard, Space Sheriffs, GokaiSilver and Go-Busters need to be called by Gai to notice that there's something weird going on and help? Crossovers seem fairly common nowadays, so I guess focusing so much on the main heroes from the movie, or current heroes of the franchises wasn't such a waste, since we might see again soon, but, even putting that aside, that part just didn't make much sense withing the movie itself. The first Super Hero Taisen seemed to be the first time where they were attempting to integrate the existence of various heroes through the movie, not only the main cast, this one completely threw that away, basically going back to the Let's Go Kamen Riders formula.

The selection of heroes also was rather random. Why did none of the heroes who helped Gavan and Beast get to the castle appear during the final battle itself, well, aside from the Shinkenger? And then those absent heroes are suddenly in the cliff after the battle...

The action also took a step back from the last movie to me. Only Wizard, Kyoryuger and Gokaiger (before the final battle, because there they weren't allowed to do anything) were allowed to do things like form changes or unique abilities. The movie also seemed fairly low budget at times too. The Kyoryugers were using stock footage straight out of their tv series several times (transformation, kendrospiker, kyoryuzin combination), rather than custom made CG).

When everyone appears in the final battle, there were no individual cuts with actual battle scenes, just generic punches and slashes. Now, in some cases those were performed in characteristic ways, but it still ends up fairly generic with no individual showcases. The firing sequence at the end had a bunch of heroes standing in the background doing nothing just because they weren't willing to use their alternate forms too. Coming from Wizard's finale, it's a big disappointment, but even the first Super Hero Taisen was better about it, considering how heroes who weren't plot relevant got their own scenes for the battle there. The only one who really gets one here is the Fourze and Inazuman team.

Wizard's treatment was weird, and it did leave a big hole in the movie in that there wasn't a single Rider protagonist as part of the main cast. The movie starts basically treating him as the main character for a while, and that goes through about 30% of the movie, but suddenly Gai and Gavan go to the Madou castle and Wizard disappears from the story, only to return in the beginning of the final battle with a random "I was waiting for this moment!" and dominate the movie from that point on. Beast generally hanged around when Wizard wasn't there, but he was clearly pushed to the background in comparison to GokaiSilver and Gavan.

Kyoryuger, Wizard and Space Sheriffs to a lesser extent completely take over the final battle. Someone like Gai, who was clearly a main character beforehand could do nothing there aside from getting beaten up. And obviously the past heroes got even less, with Rider 1 getting a Rider Kick, and that one scene with Fourze and Inazuman. At least, the first SHT had scenes for the other heroes alongside Fourze's and Go-Busters' space battle. Here, the parallel final battle just goes to Beast and KyoryuGold.

They also didn't even try to make minor excuses for the new weapons here. Wizard pulls two new rings out of nowhere like he always had them, and the Metal Hero keys also are thrown into the movie with no context at all. Seeing Shocker here again, and on top of that it only being a secondary threat was pretty bad too. Why even use Shocker here? They should have gone with Madou and the resurrected Sentai villains as antagonists, especially if the Riders' themselves would be so sidelined in this movie.

And then there's Gavan. They had Retsu's actor, and yet just used him as a superior officer rather than original Gavan? And the new Sharivan's first biggest role ends up being as someone who's willing to sacrifice an entire planet for the greater good... until he isn't?

I really hope the next movie has a different creative team... If there is a next movie after the low box office of this one, for a Rider feature (although, considering the lack of Riders in the main cast, even Wizard disappearing during 60% of the movie, maybe it shouldn't even be compared to Rider's movies).
 
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What about the Kyoryugers? They had a horrible 3 minute appearance at the start and then disappeared until the end. Like Gai appeared out of nowhere to stop Daigo and Haruto's fight then it cuts to Gai and Haruto discussing Space Shocker at a completely different location. Where the hell is Daigo?
 
So... Is there any reason why the Sheriffs went after Haruto or was it just "Herp derp, they use magic like Space Shocker! They MUST be evil!"
 
So... Is there any reason why the Sheriffs went after Haruto or was it just "Herp derp, they use magic like Space Shocker! They MUST be evil!"

Haruto was the strongest known magic user (to them), so they suspected that the magic events around the universe had to do with his use of magic. Even if he wasn't evil, they thought he might be the cause.

What about the Kyoryugers? They had a horrible 3 minute appearance at the start and then disappeared until the end. Like Gai appeared out of nowhere to stop Daigo and Haruto's fight then it cuts to Gai and Haruto discussing Space Shocker at a completely different location. Where the hell is Daigo?

That's the difference though, they disappeared after a 3 minute scene, not 30 minutes. The Kyoryuger here were kind of like Fourze and Go-Busters in the first movie, although the transition was even worse than in the first movie, I guess. In the first SHT, we left Fourze and Go-Busters to look at events in completely different locations, while here the next scene still followed Haruto and Gai, who had just been with the Kyoryuger.
 
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