Kamen Rider OOO - Talk Up!

[Shirayuki]

Sure. I like him better now, but he (and his fans, more than the character now - other fans ruin most shows for me) still has this underlying attitude that he somehow deserves to be Birth because he says so. The more admirable path for the character to take would be for him not to become a Rider, and use his own initiative if he wants to fight the Yummies

He kinda tried that but it didn't really work to well and with the technology everyone except Maki has there seems to be almost no way for him to hurt Yummies or the Greed.

I think all of the fans think he should be Birth because of how the writers tried to hype us up into him being a rider and then teasing him with the Birth suit made them fall in love with the idea.

 

[garfield15]

The more admirable path for the character to take would be for him not to become a Rider, and use his own initiative if he wants to fight the Yummies

Except that is what he's been doing. He hasn't exactly been complaining about the getting the system any more and he does fight on his own initiative. It's just not actually effective against the Yummies.

he thinks the world owes him a living and he "deserves" to be Birth or OOO just on his own say-so

No. That's what he thought once. After he realized he was wrong, he's not like that anymore.

 

[Lynxara]

Hell, the show is honestly making the distinction that he is meant to be Birth because he is the only relatively normal, disagreeable main character.

I honestly think this is a bad move on OOO's part. The people who really, really like OOO seem to enjoy the fact that it's the Rider show equivalent of the bouncy ball pit at Showbiz Pizza.

Gotou is much like Akiko in W, a persistent walking tone-break. You can defend his "character development" until you're blue in the face, but some people will never like him because they don't want the show to take on the tone it inevitably does when he's around.

They will make up other nonsense excuses and claim that's "really" why they dislike him, but there's a 95% chance they're just rationalizing. It's really coming down to the tone issue. Gotou forces moments of "seriousness" into a world of candy-colored coins and soda pop robots.

I'm sure people who like Gotou tend to be folks who like OOO well enough but wish the show could have a bit more edge. I'll just point out now that most of you are arguing with someone who, to this day, vocally defends Go-onger.

 

[garfield15]

I honestly think this is a bad move on OOO's part. The people who really, really like OOO seem to enjoy the fact that it's the Rider show equivalent of the bouncy ball pit at Showbiz Pizza.

Or maybe it's liked because it's relatively competent in itself, is fun to watch and hasn't seriously screwed anything up in it's story.

If anything is the Rider show equivalent of a bouncy ball pit, it's Decade.

They will make up other nonsense excuses and claim that's "really" why they dislike him, but there's a 95% chance they're just rationalizing. It's really coming down to the tone issue. Gotou forces moments of "seriousness" into a world of candy-colored coins and soda pop robots.

So that makes the Greeds just as incapable since they "force" serious into this show?

 

[lazycoconut]

I honestly think this is a bad move on OOO's part. The people who really, really like OOO seem to enjoy the fact that it's the Rider show equivalent of the bouncy ball pit at Showbiz Pizza.

Gotou is much like Akiko in W, a persistent walking tone-break. You can defend his "character development" until you're blue in the face, but some people will never like him because they don't want the show to take on the tone it inevitably does when he's around.

They will make up other nonsense excuses and claim that's "really" why they dislike him, but there's a 95% chance they're just rationalizing. It's really coming down to the tone issue. Gotou forces moments of "seriousness" into a world of candy-colored coins and soda pop robots.

I'm sure people who like Gotou tend to be folks who like OOO well enough but wish the show could have a bit more edge. I'll just point out now that most of you are arguing with someone who, to this day, vocally defends Go-onger.

Your problem with this being? BTW I defend Goseiger and Decade too

Re. Gotou changing the tone of the show - I would say it's the other way around. Eiji, Hina, and the restaurant lady are the bright spots in the cast. The rest of the time, well, what do we have? Gotou isn't a bundle of laughs but neither are Kougami, Maki, and the Greeed. What pisses me off about his fans is that they defend him because they seem to think a hero MUST be this stoic, overgrown emo-kid (further examples: ShinkenRed, BoukenRed) and that this somehow makes Gotou more worthy of being a hero than Eiji, the protagonist of the show

 

[wins2]

I don't think that at all. I like Gotou because he's a good character that I want to see succeed, and because becoming a rider and a hero is his goal I want him to achieve that. And I don't think his fans are if that belief you have Lazy.

 

[KingRanger]

Your problem with this being? BTW I defend Goseiger and Decade too

EDIT: Not very nice

 

[garfield15]

What pisses me off about his fans is that they defend him because they seem to think a hero MUST be this stoic, overgrown emo-kid (further examples: ShinkenRed, BoukenRed) and that this somehow makes Gotou more worthy of being a hero than Eiji, the protagonist of the show

Okay, wait a minute. When did anybody say that. I'm positive everybody has at least at one point in the show acknowledged how much of a real hero Eiji is. Neither of them deserve to be "worthy" of heroship at all. They're both good guys. I think you're over-generalizing fans of these things to the loud majority.

(BoukenRed is serious, but is so not stoic or an emo-kid. Remember how life-threatening danger is "a fun adventure" for him? It'd be like saying GoRed was an emo kid)

 

[lazycoconut]

I like Lynxara. She's taught me a valuable lesson or two (definitely) and she did point out the hypocrisy of the Go-ongers fighting pollution with ... cars. So simple, yet so easy to overlook :disappoin

 

[Lynxara]

Or maybe it's liked because it's relatively competent in itself, is fun to watch and hasn't seriously screwed anything up in it's story.

You're describing people who are watching OOO because it's new and it's acceptable, not people who really, really like everything about it as a creative work. These are two different levels of affection that will produce very different audience reactions.

If anything is the Rider show equivalent of a bouncy ball pit, it's Decade.

Decade's first episode was worlds colliding, the universe beginning to melt, mass hysteria, and cities exploding. It was a srs bzns show that wanted you to enjoy the wangst and dramaz. It drew a very different sort of fan than OOO does and had a really different talk thread.

OOO is a show that is mainly about laughs and fun and bangzoom fightin' thus far. The talk-up thread reflects this, people like the memes and running gags and zOMG awesome power-ups. There's some apocalyptic stuff going on in the background but for now that aspect of the show is abstract at best.

So that makes the Greeds just as incapable since they "force" serious into this show?

Judging from this thread, nobody seems to take the Greed seriously at all. I think that's completely consistent with the show's intentions.

The Greed are an exaggerated and cartoony. They pose a completely unreal and impossible "threat." Their backstory renders them far more pitiable than genuinely sinister. Some of them, like Gamel, were clearly meant to even be identifiable.

The Greed are perfectly at home in OOO's light tone. Gotou, on the other hand, tends to feel like a guy who wandered in from some other show and is very confused about what he's seeing.