Kamen Rider Kabuto - Talk Up! [Fansub Spoilers!!!]

for the last episode, did anyone other than me see a cameo of Yamato and Oda <i think> for GSL?

VerusMaya II said:

That's a little cynical, isn't it, ZroSentai? I do think the writers put effort into the story, but there's only so much they can do when they're given the theme and toys and basically told to write a story around it. Have a little faith.

Plus, we've got to remember this is a kid's show. They're not going for 100% accuracy, as long as bits and pieces of the story (or just the big picture/overall plot) is wrapped up I'd imagine they're fine with it.

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I know it is a bit cynical. But come on now, how many 3rd Gen Rider endings has this writer ruined? Yes it's a kid's show, but that doesn't change the fact that for an anniversary show, the ending has put the nail in Kabuto's coffin as being a terrible letdown.

EDIT: I noticed Tendou. Didn't recognize Oda, but I did recognize Yamato. Guess this means that GSL's events made them not join ZECT and just live as humans without knowledge of the Masked Rider System, Worms, or ZECT.

TendouSouji said:

for the last episode, did anyone other than me see a cameo of Yamato and Oda <i think> for GSL?

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LOL i did

yup,thow two were holding hands in pain

KamenRiderBladeZero said:

no, Impulse87

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:eyebrow: what?

Glad to see you, Iga. Are you back yet?

Yep, and jet-lagged as hell.

I watched the last scene with the Hoppers in #48 again, and if you go by what Kageyama says, I don't think Punch Hopper also attacked Kick Hopper in that scene. Kageyama said he wouldn't be able to go to the light along with Yaguruma, and he had fallen "into a darkness that even you don't know". So in other words, I think he wanted Yaguruma to kill him. But then of course, that brings up the question of why he transformed after that at all- maybe he wanted to die as a Hopper (Rider), and not as a Native? I dunno.

It makes the most sense that Yaguruma would die as well, but it's just so vague, and the official web site summary doesn't even talk about that scene.
Since Yaguruma doesn't appear in the finale, I guess it's safe to assume that he did die, somehow. Either that, or at the end he was speaking metaphorically to Kageyama- they will always be together in spirit, no matter if anything happens to one or the other.

Can someone tell me what Kageyama and Yaguruma was saying in their last scene in Episode 48.

i really want to know what they were saying.

Yeah, maybe Kageyama wants to die as a rider, be it TheBee or PunchHopper.

But gah. I hate when a series ended with so many things unexplained. It's taxing for the brain, you know...

I gotta say, I love the ambiguous ending given to the Hoppers. I feel it was pulled off excellently and believe that both Yaguruma and Kageyama died. It may be hard for some to see, but this is why I believe both of them are dead.

Kageyama says, "I won't be able to go into the light with you.", Yaguruma attacks and then we get the cut away. As he is holding Kageyama and looking up at the stars, Yaguruma says "Let's go find that light meant only for us.", or something along those lines. I took that line to mean that while Kageyama won't be able to find it in life, he can find redemption(light) in death, Yaguruma saying "Let's go", to me, insinuated that he's going to be able to join him on that journey, in death.

I really think that part was pretty damn brilliant if I do say so myself. Definitely my favorite rider death, full stop. So, while they may have not had the best story development in the series, they did have an awesome death.

BTW, Iga, do you think you'll be doing a series overview for Kabuto? As in, one of those long, review style posts on what you felt the series' strengths and weaknesses were and what could have been done to change those? It'd make a pretty interesting entry for the blog.