Kamen Rider Fourze THE MOVIE: Everyone, It's Space Time! Rumor/Picture Thread

[NeonZ]

I don't get Toei's supposed aversion to having Showa Rider actors appear on-screen for these movies because "cyborgs don't age" when Hiroshi Miyauchi constantly reprises his role as Big One from JAKQ, a team of cyborgs, in Sentai anniversaries.

There's also the possibility that it's actually some directive from Ishinomori Pro, and maybe they don't care enough about JAKQ for it to matter there? On the other hand, maybe it's just due to the different executives/producer handling each show, Rider's approach to crossovers after their recent return and Sentai's own approach seem to be different in multiple ways...

And don't shoehorn in Den-O. Make it Decade, or W, or no one at all.

The issue is that the movie started as a pure Den-O production. They had things all set up to make annual Den-O movies during those years - the idea to make it an anniversary came later, and the idea of featuring OOO as a main character came after the actual production had started to some point. That's also likely why Den-O's cast was confirmed for Super Hero Taisen before anyone else aside from the two protagonists, Decade and Gokaired - in spite of their actual participation in the movie being pretty limited, not taking a protagonist.

 

[Khaiden]

In movies there is no such thing as continuity. If they do screw up some where or mention somthing, Toei still has the tried and true method for writing it off.

Sorry, I don't want to sound like the guy that says ''HA! I've seen more than you! I know more than you!'', but how many Rider movies have you seen?

Blame It On Decade...

AR worlds acount for everything, ever, always. They can do whatever they want at this point and get away with it, even the continuity destroyer that is LGKR. Decade was there, thus making it an AR world...Toei has found the method for which to make the most money off of exclusive figures and toys forever.

Not sure if trolling or serious.
So you're saying Decade's presence automatically means everything around him is an AR and not the original? I know Decade is very powerful, but damn.

I don't get Toei's supposed aversion to having Showa Rider actors appear on-screen for these movies because "cyborgs don't age" when Hiroshi Miyauchi constantly reprises his role as Big One from JAKQ, a team of cyborgs, in Sentai anniversaries.

And Kurata Tetsuo reprising Minami Kotaro, it might have been an AR but Black/RX is still a kaizo-ningen.
I think that's just false. If we haven't seen many old actors reprise their roles it's because:

1) They are lazy. We learned way back in All Riders when Hayami Ryo mentioned he wasn't even told about the movie.

2) Shirakura. As it's been said, he ''doesn't like old people''.

 

[Black Fang]

I would have pointed out Gokaiger as an example Rider should emulate, but apparently that was just a "happy accident" thanks to Teruaki Ogawa's online postings. Toei never intended to bring back that many people.

Between Moebius and the subsequent movies, Gokaiger and Decade/LGKR, I guess Ultraman is the only franchise that can actually make overall satisfying anniversary stuff on a consistent basis.

 

[NeonZ]

And Kurata Tetsuo reprising Minami Kotaro, it might have been an AR but Black/RX is still a kaizo-ningen.

He's confirmed to be the original according to All Riders vs Dai-Shocker's promo material, so... Still, Black RX was a "kaizou ningen" in a different way from the previous Riders.

I think that's just false. If we haven't seen many old actors reprise their roles it's because:

1) They are lazy. We learned way back in All Riders when Hayami Ryo mentioned he wasn't even told about the movie.

2) Shirakura. As it's been said, he ''doesn't like old people''.

The biggest thing backing up the story reasoning is Let's Go Kamen Riders. Rider 1 and 2 were main characters and their present selves also appeared in the movie, but yet their actors never appeared on screen. Whatever the reason for the lack of out of suit appearances though, I think it's not limited to Shirakura, considering how we haven't gotten anything from Tsukada or anyone else either.

Alternatively to the whole story reason, the age of the actors might play a factor too, but mostly as "If Rider 1 is an old man, he won't be marketable to children". Old Sentai don't have nearly the same marketing presence, so they can appear out of suit.

 

[Black Fang]

Gokaiger vs. Gavan did well though, and that featured Kenji Ohba on screen. Another Gavan movie is coming out in October. If LGKR had been along the same lines as Gokai vs. Gavan, where it's still a chiefly Gokaiger movie at the end of the day, would that not have worked?

 

[NeonZ]

Gokaiger vs. Gavan did well though, and that featured Kenji Ohba on screen. Another Gavan movie is coming out in October.

It did well compared to previous Sentai Vs movies, only losing to 199 Heroes, but it really doesn't compare to any of the recent Rider movies. Still, I don't think it's the box office they're worried about, but related merchandising sold to children, something Gavan hasn't really gotten a lot of. Either way though, for the upcoming solo movie, they are introducing a new younger Gavan to succeed the older one.

If LGKR had been along the same lines as Gokai vs. Gavan, where it's still a chiefly Gokaiger movie at the end of the day, would that not have worked?

Let's Go Kamen Riders did use OOO and Den-O in the title, it's not like Rider 1 and 2 were the only leads. Either way though, it depends on what is their reasoning. If it's the story reason, that wouldn't have changed anything.

If it's marketability though, the main problem isn't just Rider 1's focus in the movie itself, but Rider 1's general marketability. Various products using the original Rider still are sold even today and they might fear hurting that.

 

[Black Fang]

But don't Fujioka and the other Showa actors still appear for certain events? Have those somehow affected the Showa Riders' sales performance? Or do only the big and small screen matter? Or were those things not Toei-related?

 

[NeonZ]

But don't Fujioka and the other Showa actors still appear for certain events? Have those somehow affected the Showa Riders' sales performance? Or do only the big and small screen matter? Or were those things not Toei-related?

If I recall correctly, they weren't in the press conference, which would be the most relevant event related to the movies. Either way though, in no point of Let's Go Kamen Riders' promotion we even got pictures of Fujioka and Sasaki actually "in character" as Hongo and Ichimonji. They still participate in Rider fan events, but those have little impact on the younger audiences and are more for older fans.

Still, we don't know if their absence is due to the marketing situation, or if they don't appear due to the story related reason (which also could be backed by Ishinomori Pro, rather than something coming from Toei itself). Toei obviously hasn't ever given official word on the matter to avoid backlash from either stance.

 

[NateRiver]

Everyone, welcome to Kamen Rider Fourze, where our main character can befriend an orbital weapon.

 

[Savior Den-o]

Hey guys remember these?:

So according to this post right here

The new Power Dizers name are JK Dizer and Queen Dizer. Funny seeing how both did piloted the Power Dizer for a short period of time.

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