Is Goseiger's really that bad?

Well, it's nowhere near as bad as Gobusters.

Goseigers didn't interest me enough to watch every episode. However, I probably could watch every episode and not wish only for death by the end of it.

It's an interesting concept with a lot of potential, and at least sometimes it was quite brilliant, it's just that it also quite often failed to hold my interest.

I'd say give it a watch and see what you think, to be honest. It's not a show I would absolutely recommend avoiding.
 
Goseiger is an OK show to watch, though there are 2 things that can certainly ruin the experience.

First is the gimmick, which as you can probably guess from previous comments, its pretty bad. The whole card things doesn´t really works as well as it should, something that i blame on the horribly designed tensouders, and the Header dynamic used for weapons and mechas is just downright dumb.

Second is the actors; now i know this can be a little controversial but hear me out.

Something interesting to note about Goseiger is that the Red Ranger, Alata/GoseiRed, strays away from your usual Red arquetype and goes for the "Magical Pink Leader" arquetype used in Magical Girls shows (for reference, Alata is the exact same character type as Nozomi/Cure Dream in Yes! Pretty Cure 5). This is not really a bad things, and Alata´s actor pulls it off most of the time, but the one hindrance of this arquetype is that you do need a strong supporting cast to bounce off the performance, and this is something that Goseiger doesn´t have.

I honestly don´t know if i should blame the actors for lacking talent/charisma or the writers for creating two dimensional characters, but suffice to say there really is nothing special about the rest of the cast and that can really ruin the experience.

Goseiger is an Ok show to watch, it is very old school and the main story is quite interesting if you follow it (not to mention that the Final 2 arcs are quite good), but those two things i mentioned make it a really easy show to dislike, so i suggest you watch it cautiously and with an open mind.
 
I loved the show. Most of the time.


I won't lie and say that it'll ever win over a majority of fans, because it's not technically a good series. Despite all its faults, it's a show I've enjoyed quite a bit since the very first episode. I think a great deal of my liking towards the show is related to the cast and the effort the show gives off to me. Yes, it does have flaws, but it feels like such a genuine effort was being placed in the show despite its major show runners being inconsistent, leaving what seems to be a lot of the traditional second string people to pick up the slack.

The cast isn't the best that Sentai has to offer, by any stretch of the imagination, but there are a few moments when everyone comes together nicely. Yudai Chiba and Rika Sato struck me as the strongest members of the cast, they were pretty much always giving out a performance that matched whatever their character was going through in any given episode. I definitely would have preferred a stronger cast all around, but if I had to pick, I am glad that my two favorite characters, the Skyick tribe members, were the ones with decent cast members behind them.

Arata in general is without a doubt my favorite red in all of Sentai. We often see simple poorly done imitations of past reds or the introduction of a new kind of red that doesn't quite hit its mark, but Arata was neither. Shinkenger and Goseiger had rather unique reds, neither character's overall type had been done before; two years in a row of new things was great. That said, I much prefer Arata's character type to Takeru. Arata is...yeah, essentially a magical girl lead in a Sentai red's clothes. He's aloof while still managing to be a caring character, and this is the sort of character Yudai Chiba knocks it out of the park with – he's great in the role.

What impressed me the most about Arata and Yudai Chiba was their ability to change directions at the snap of the fingers. Arata is presented as the calm, quiet, and reserved character throughout most of the series, but it's hiding a fierce inner strength. When Arata goes into battles with desperation you can't help but admire just how different he seems from the way he usually acts. I think this is because the character and actor are a perfect melding of two strengths. You've got a pretty good actor for Arata in Chiba, but you've got an even better character in Arata. With Arata we're presented seemingly carefree leader, but when those situations arrive that test him or his friends, the viewer should be able to see just how far he's able to go to protect the people he cares about.

On top of all that, Yasuhiro Takeuchi makes a fantastic suit actor for the character of Arata. His colorful and energetic movements really bring the character to life in battle and give him a sense of oneness with the character out of suit. I would love to see Takeuchi as a read again if he was ever given the chance to do a more colorful lead character. I often found that Goseiger's action was a lot of fun to watch, unique and creative, it was never dull.

The cards did bother me, they never seemed to belong in the show. It's a Bandai thing though, can't really do much about that. Despite the cards, Goseiger seemed to work very well visually. I loved the Headder gimmick more than I can say, it's much more interesting than just switching out one mech for a different one. The weapons are some of the best I've seen in Sentai in quite a long while, and Gosei Great itself is my favorite main robot combination in Sentai.

And of course you've got Brajira to tie the show together. The moment he appeared in the second arc, you had to know he was going to be the biggest threat throughout the show and, at least to me, that made me pay more attention to his actions. A shame that happened in the second arc since it is the weakest of the show and admittedly the hardest part of it for me to rewatch, but it's one of those things that made it interesting in the worst of times. We had this very conniving character who worked against everyone and everything and made for an excellent villain. I would say it's a shame he wasn't the main focus throughout the show, but the build up makes him all the better, and the changing enemies thing was pretty awesome as well.
 
I'm thinking of watching Goseiger's since I didn't get to chance to watch it when it was airing and I've many negative things about it.
There's not a single toku show out there that you won't find negative comments about at one time or another. :laugh:

If there's something that makes the show appeal to you then go for it. In some ways it's kind of like Zyuranger, so if you've seen that and enjoyed it then you won't mind this one either. Personally I really liked some of the mecha in this show. Gosei Great was pretty cool, and wields a flaming sword that they did with practical effects rather than CGI (!) which adds to the sense of it being something of a 90s throwback series. The final mecha is a single (pretty nice) robot instead of a cluster**** combination.

Alata, the red ranger, gets discussed a lot and seems to be quite a polarising character. The comparison that is often made is that he's like the lead of a magical girl show (I wouldn't know as I've not seen any of those). The show outright states multiple times that "Alata is like the wind." Most of the time he's quiet and gentle and just goes with the flow, but occasionally he's a raging tornado that's going to flatten the enemy (usually after giving an old-school Red speech about their mission).

My impression of Alata was somewhat different. Sentai really is a "wish fullfillment" type of show, and Toei and Bandai want kids to imagine that they're the red ranger. A lot of Sentai shows have created reds that seem like they're intended to come across as an 'ideal best friend'/'fun-loving older brother' for the children watching; They have lots of fun and goof around, everybody likes them and they'll always help you out if you're in trouble. Continuing the wish fullfillment aspect, the mentor figure usually encourages their kooky ways rather than getting them to do as they're told, unlike real life kids who are generally constantly being told what to do. Alata is the only red I would say really manages to come across as if he WAS one of the children watching. I used to work with young children in the age range that Sentai is aimed at, and a lot of them really could be quite a lot like him in personality at times. So it's a different slant on the "I can totally imagine being the red ranger" fantasy.
Nihon subbed the whole thing though.
They did, but what nobody picked up on at the time is that the monsters in the show have a rather complicated way of referencing famous movies, and the types of movies being referenced changes as the show has different story arcs against different bad guys. It's really interesting IMO. Plus Millionfold Curiosities have said that finishing the last arc of Goseiger is their current priority, so hopefully it won't be too long until they finish it.
 
I'd say it's worst fault is that it's completely generic
Agreed


Also, the card gimmick is awful. Even people who love Goseiger thinks they're awful. People learn to tune out the "Gaccha!" the Tensouder makes to take the show seriously.

And why would fully grown adults be taking a show aimed at extremely young children seriously?

And poo on you, I happened to like the card gimmick! It was nice to see it in a Sentai series for once considering how it had become fairly common gimmick in Kamen Rider up until that point (Ryuki, Blade, & Decade)

Well, it's nowhere near as bad as Gobusters.

You're joking right? At least Gobusters started off strong which is more than I can possibly say for Goseiger
 
I used to hate Goseiger. I'm still in the middle of it and I've still not made a strong decision about the show. I do find Gosei Yellow's cheerleading quite cute though..

But the Angels theme never really did it for me, and I hated the bit where they went "DO RE MI FA SO BLAH BLAH BLAH.....".
 
Why you should like Goseiger

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Nuh, GoseiKmight was lame. All zords and robots were lame, characters were lame, story was lame, all that "not-so-epic" was lame, all three bad groups were lame. I mean yeah, it's common for monsters of the week to be forgetable, but every single main villain, except for Brajira, was lame. Most of them did almost nothing serious. Sure, they tried, but because of mood of the season, their attempts were laughable. Yumajuu duo was closest to being good bigbads, but they didn't make it, since they did nothing at all prior to "B" treason. Brajira... well, let's say he ended up in the wrong season. He is one of the best Sentai bosses in years, scheming during all season, but he was kinda slow on his action (and paid the price for that). Like other bad guys, he did almost nothing in particular. His return with Matrinx felt kinda forced and his backstory was too simple for such deep character. Same can be said about his motivation. When I finally learned it, I was like: "...so, is this all? Really? All this build up just for this? Well, sh^t." So, I guess Brajira just wasn't that lucky in the seasons' lottery.
Another big problem is that all three bigbad groups are coming ONE AFTER ANOTHER. One of good points of Boukenger was that there was some interaction between various groups of villains. Sure, it wasn't really special or big, but at least it was something. Here... well, it's way more lame. No interaction, no on-screen "Matrinx's research" before Yuumajuu were defeated. So much potential is wasted.

And the biggest problem is the miracle system. No matter what will happen, you always know that another miracle will solve any plot hole amd the end will be as good as possible. What the freaking point of badguys doing anything, if you can just "don't give up" and they will fall for sure?

Yeah, that's one of the worst seasons of Sentai and probably the worst 00s Sentai.
But they have probably the most awesome team-ups in years (both of them). Everyone should check them out.
 
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Warstar arc is watchable. Can't exactly say the same about the Mecha fights, where heads are simply thoughtlessly bolted on everywhere.

Yuumajuu arc is one of the worst things I've seen in Toku, and if the rest of the show kept the bar as low as this dire middle part, this would have easily been the worst Sentai series I've seen. Although there are some nice betrayals going on somewhere in this wretched arc involving everyone's favourite villain of the show, so I concede it's not all bad.

Matrintis arc and the subsequent final mini-arc are where some new blood come into the show and actually mobilise the effort to give the show a much needed turnaround. They succeed, and this concluding one third of the series saved the show for me. And afterwards I would lament at the inconsistency of the show.

Just to remind myself how banal and dire the middle arc is, I recall an episode where Eri (GoseiPink) gets into a flap because some poor baker is mildly hurt during a monster attack...so logically, she decides to just do cake duty for him despite having no bakery experience...and neglecting her more pressing duty of, oh I dunno, fighting the Yuuma beast with her teammates. In fact, GoseiKnight speaks for the viewers when he looks at Eri and asks what the hell is wrong with her.
 

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