Illegal Immigrants In America

[Kouji Kabuto]

We need to keep track of how many of these immigrants we legally allow into the country as well, and the health of these people. We don't want any diseases coming about our own people because of this ****.

Uh, that's why there is an Immigration service. They do indeed keep track of immigrants. And before visa status changes health checkups are mandatory. These are facts.

But we should not think that "they" bring diseases into "our" country, especially communicable ones. That's discrimination. It's not a person's fault if he comes from some third world junkheap with no modern medicine.

 

[Z-Unit]

Possible they can. I just dont like seeing the country get illegally over run by these people. Taking jobs, employers are like ''well hell, they'll work for almost nothing AND dont mind not having any breaks!''. There are jobs where you normally see trained american workers taking on but instead some random hired mexican worker is there simply becuase it's cheaper for the employer.

 

[Mikazuki]

Whats your opinion on this? I've been noticing on a few occasions that they're sorta like...ya know....taking alot of our jobs from our Americans...making robots we normally use for some jobs obsolete...possibly raising the crime rate alittle in the poverty areas of town...Yet my city's mayor decides to allow this..

What's your opinion on all of this? Are illegal immigrants ok to a degree or are they're seriously effecting the economy and this needs to be changed? imo, they're sorta leeching off of our resources.

I'll be considered as racist for my opinions but I firmly believe that illegal immigrants should not have any rights. I applaud those who come here LEGALLY to better themselves and their families. I condemn those who come here with the "give me, give me" attitude. That's it. I would have loved to keep my original post but I'm sure there are those here who would jump down my throat, point out that I'm a moderator and shouldn't have those opinions at all.

 

[Doggy Kruger]

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

I'm for Ron Paul in 2008.

 

[MaraJade]

I'm for Ron Paul in 2008.

I agree with most everything he says except for the elimination of birth citizenship right. That just seems contradictory to me. To not grant immediate citizenship right to one who is born on the soil; that at least to me, seems a given.

I don't it should be that everyone who crosses the border becomes a citizen (yes, I'm well aware that the southern states lining the border to Mexico have a problem with this-with mothers coming through just to have their children born on US soil); the point is, immigration is fine as long as it's through legal means and once here, that one fulfills their duty to the state-for most, that's granted, as one develops, to give back to what one gains--and most of us do in the form of taxes (fun).

 

[Filadelfo]

Fortunately not me or anyone around me has had the need to even thinking of crossing the border.
However, I'm a mexican and I have my clear stand on this matter, which I'll keep it to myself for the sake of harmony.

 

[Aoi Kurenai]

I agree with most everything he says except for the elimination of birth citizenship right. That just seems contradictory to me. To not grant immediate citizenship right to one who is born on the soil; that at least to me, seems a given.

Ditto. If that were the case, I wouldn't be a citizen of the country, and that just seems stupid considering the foundation of the US. I pretty much don't support Ron Paul though, so that's a topic for different day.

Though I was always under the impression that it's damn near impossible for a well off person in lower teer countries like Mexico to legally immigrate, let alone a great number of citizens of the country who live well below what would be considered the poverty line. One of my professors calls legal immigration the biggest lie that the country doesn't know is a lie, not sure if I totally agree with his statement, but it's not too far off from the truth I think. It took my brother 17 years to get just residency.

 

[Mikazuki]

I agree with most everything he says except for the elimination of birth citizenship right. That just seems contradictory to me. To not grant immediate citizenship right to one who is born on the soil; that at least to me, seems a given.

I don't it should be that everyone who crosses the border becomes a citizen (yes, I'm well aware that the southern states lining the border to Mexico have a problem with this-with mothers coming through just to have their children born on US soil); the point is, immigration is fine as long as it's through legal means and once here, that one fulfills their duty to the state-for most, that's granted, as one develops, to give back to what one gains--and most of us do in the form of taxes (fun).

Did you know that in Mexico, you're not born as a Mexican national? Your parents must prove that they are citizens of Mexico before you are given citizenship in Mexico. The Mexican constitution even prohibits immigrants who later become Mexican citizens to even vote. Mexico has a more strict immigration law then the US.

As nice as our 14th Amendment is, it shouldn't give automatic citizenship to people born in the country. The parents should prove they are citizens OR are legally here AND they actually apply for citizenship for their child. If I remember correctly, even in Canada you're not given automatic citizenship at birth, the parents have to apply for it much like we in the States have to apply for a Social Security number for that child at birth. It wouldn't be difficult at all, the parents are given another piece of paper to send it to the government and on it they state whether or not they are legal immigrants or US citizens and if they check NO for either one then the child isn't given citizenship and it YES then a double check on the parents (though the state's database or immigration) to see if one or both are THEN the child is given citizenship. Not hard at all since most birth records are already online and it's just a matter of cross referencing things.

Did you also know that if your parents are both US citizens (or even if one is) and you're born outside of the US that you are not given US citizenship? The parents must apply for citizenship for that child. Example, Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are both US citizens but when she gave birth to their daughter Shilo in Africa what they ended up doing was having to petition the US Immigration office for citizenship for their daughter before being allowed to bring her home.

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/DocView/22cfrid/1/139/144

What I find weird is that if a person were to adopt a child outside the US then that child automatically is given US Citizenship (per Child Citizenship Act passed in 2000) YET it did not help this Canadian/American guy in my area. See his biological parents are/were US citizens but she gave birth up in Canada where he was placed for adoption (in the 1950s or 60s) in Spokane, WA. He was adopted by a US couple and now the government are trying to deport him (or they already did, can't recall which) stating he's not a US citizen despite being born to US citizens and adopted by US citizens.

 

[Keith Justice]

I don't know about threads that're political........ I've found in the past everytime they come up, you find out that someone you really like ends up like, being for bringing back slavery or who knows what else.

Something that's common sense justice to one ends up being the flip side of the coin to another and things aren't the same.

Should we really continue with immigration talk?

 

[Ragna "D" BloodEdge]

I don't know...topics like this tend to be iffy enough as is, and then they turn ugly very quikcly.