Four episodes into Kiva and....

I didnt meant that as a bad thing. Maybe it was the smiley? lol

Anyway, Im on episode 9 right now and things are looking good.

Kiva should just have stuck to the 1986 story, set it in modern day and have Otoya as the lead Rider.
He basically stole the entire show and saved it from becoming a complete train-wreck.

I remember the main Kiva discussion thread. People barely talked about Wataru. Everyone was crazy with Otoya and Nago.

Kiva, as in the Rider himself, was one of my favorite suits, but I hated how his forms and weapons were used.
Inoue does not seem good at handling a Rider that has multiple forms, which was evident in Agito, which he was also the writer of.
As soon as a more powerful form or weapon is introduced, everything else before that becomes forgotten. After Burning Form was introduced, we barely saw Storm or Flame Form again.

In Kiva, the first half of the show was so busy trying to cram in as much merchandise as it could, and then when the second half came and we got to the final power-up, all these things were never to be seen again, and we came to a point where the viewers got bored with the fights, because they got so damn repetitive.

The whole deal with form-changing Riders, is that they are supposed to be strategic fighters. OOO and Double are very good examples.
That is what make their battles more interesting to the viewer.
We got all this info on Kiva's different forms, what capabilities they had etc. but we barely got to see them

Scissors said:

As soon as a more powerful form or weapon is introduced, everything else before that becomes forgotten. After Burning Form was introduced, we barely saw Storm or Flame Form again.

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And yet, when Shining was introduced; how many times did he use that? 3? :sweat:

Black Fang said:

That's like asking if anyone ever attacked and injured/killed by a monster is magically cured when the monster is killed. I don't see how this makes Kiva any darker than other shows. Kiva is hardly dark at all. It could and should have been a bit darker given the motif.

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If Kiva's monsters are explicitly killing dudes on a regular basis, it's definitely a lot darker than the likes of W, Den-O, OOO (IIRC), or Fourze (so far) where monster "bad effects" are often explicitly reversed by killing the monster and monster rampages are presented as "thrilling mayhem" moreso than real horror. In newer shows the real threat of on-screen death of innocents is saved only for when the writer is trying to make a dramatic point.

So if Mikon has just gotten into the franchise recently and never seen older Heisei shows like Kuuga, Agito, or Ryuki -- where the death of innocents was personal and constant and the hero was doing well if he could prevent one death out of a dozen -- it probably would be a shock to see something coming even close to that.

(The "a real hero saves everyone" fantasy is a powerful one, isn't it? Even though it's usually only made possible through writing slight of hand.)

I would have loved to see someone like Riku Sanjo work on Kiva.
The show was the perfect opportunity to make a tribute to Ishinomori's early horror style, and we have already seen that Sanjo can bring a showa-era feeling into a modern Kamen Rider show/movie when he wants to.

Look how he handled the Skull story, how he wrote the villains etc.
That is EXACTLY the kind of mood that Kiva needed.
The fangires were based on vampires. They were supposed to be creatures that lurked around and attacked people from the shadows.

It would have been interesting if the fangires could only appear during the night. The first part of the two-parter episodes could focus on daytime, were the heroes would try to figure out who the fangire is, and then during the second part, we could focus on night time, where Kiva would fight that fangire.

That is actually how I thought Kiva would be during the early rumors :disappoin

Scissors said:

It would have been interesting if the fangires could only appear during the night. The first part of the two-parter episodes could focus on daytime, were the heroes would try to figure out who the fangire is, and then during the second part, we could focus on night time, where Kiva would fight that fangire.

That is actually how I thought Kiva would be during the early rumors :disappoin

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Yes! Kiva really needed to have all its battles take place in the evening, night or dawn. If Toei really wanted to be cheap they could have either added a "dark effect" to daytime-filmed fights or have a lot of fights filmed indoors out of the sun. Kiva also needed the people to be aware that something was going on. An 'urban legend' of vampire monsters and a "Kamen Rider" appearing in the night and leaving his mark on the battlefield for people to see come morning.

OOO (IIRC)

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OOO is kind of odd. During most of the show, it worked like how W and Fourze do regarding monsters and their effects on normal people. However, a few later monsters actually killed people (the first two dinosaur yummies)... but they don't try to make any kind of plot point about it and the characters react as usual. They might as well have survived, considering how the script was written, although it's obvious that they didn't. They also stop immediately afterwards and go back to the usual pattern. However, in the final arc, the Greeeds themselves started killing people again, and this time the deaths aren't completely ignored, but still mostly glossed over.

Scissors said:

It would have been interesting if the fangires could only appear during the night. The first part of the two-parter episodes could focus on daytime, were the heroes would try to figure out who the fangire is, and then during the second part, we could focus on night time, where Kiva would fight that fangire.
:disappoin

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But then we would've screwed some kids over out of one episode of action every two episodes.

I should know the feeling, even I don't like having episodes without any action going on :sweat:

NeonZ said:

OOO is kind of odd. During most of the show, it worked like how W and Fourze do regarding monsters and their effects on normal people. However, a few later monsters actually killed people (the first two dinosaur yummies)... but they don't try to make any kind of plot point about it and the characters react as usual. They might as well have survived, considering how the script was written, although it's obvious that they didn't. They also stop immediately afterwards and go back to the usual pattern. However, in the final arc, the Greeeds themselves started killing people again, and this time the deaths aren't completely ignored, but still mostly glossed over.

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It's not so odd if the effects aren't death. In W there were some deaths and they're not reversed. In OOO not many of the effects equated to being dead so once the monster was beaten, they're ok. However those that seemed to have died don't come back, because it makes sense that death cannot b e reversed.